Page 3 | Sarah Ditum reviews Grace Lavery’s book

SpiderVersed · 2022-02-07T10:37:01+00:00

She’s got a point, the pun in the title is very good. But otherwise Lavery is saying the quiet part out loud. [[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d95d9e92-85e7-11ec-b939-57ea9f594ba1?shareToken=8d58838e7b97ce21a4181d7bff0f91df]]

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/02/2022 11:33

The wife?

Bloody hell. I've got a friend who was thoroughly abused for years by her scumbag husband. Took about 15 years for her to leave from the point that I knew things were bad for her.

I hope Grace's wife finds the same strength that my friend did. And I hope it happens more quickly for her than it did for my friend.

Gawd, I've got so much sympathy for the women who are trapped in abusive relationships. It's just brutal.

Pluvia · 09/02/2022 11:15

a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse

Several of my gay male acquaintances would qualify as women according to Grace. I don't think they'd be pleased about that.

My concern is for Grace's wife. More red flags than a May Day parade at the Kremlin.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/02/2022 10:51

@DomesticatedZombie

a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse

Where the fuck did Grace get this iidea from?! Does it mean 'passive' in terms of positions ie supine, missionary, or does it mean passive in terms of the dynamic, as in submissive/dominant? Either of these is rather a quaint and old fashioned (and yes, obviously deeply sexist) view of both sexual intercourse and relationships/power dynamics, frankly.

(Daniel: I wish you strength, peace and self acceptance.)

I second this, and add a SHL.

DomesticatedZombie · 09/02/2022 10:50

a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse

Where the fuck did Grace get this iidea from?! Does it mean 'passive' in terms of positions ie supine, missionary, or does it mean passive in terms of the dynamic, as in submissive/dominant? Either of these is rather a quaint and old fashioned (and yes, obviously deeply sexist) view of both sexual intercourse and relationships/power dynamics, frankly.

(Daniel: I wish you strength, peace and self acceptance.)

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/02/2022 10:48

Gawd, what a talentless writer.

How on earth does this person get so much attention? There doesn't seem to be much justification for that.

QueenSue · 09/02/2022 10:41

I meant that as a response to Once you see the pride in the posting of the abuse of their spouse (were they honeymoon photos or am I thinking of other photos), everything falls into place.

QueenSue · 09/02/2022 10:40

Especially the quote ending in "I fucking love to ruin things", Helle.

Helleofabore · 09/02/2022 10:06

I agree. I am not sure that it has occurred to Lavery that taking the role of the dominant in their relationship rather indicates that they are not a woman. And that they have defined their spouse as a woman which they, Daniel, clearly would be opposed to.

Kind a 'hoist by own petard' situation there.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/02/2022 09:44

@Helleofabore

Once you see the pride in the posting of the abuse of their spouse (were they honeymoon photos or am I thinking of other photos), everything falls into place.

Those images seem somewhat contradictory to this post from GL on the definition of woman.

well, i think it’s like your definition of “firefighter”—quite circular, as it goes, because it is a messy, socialized term. a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse and a reproductive role in economic life. it’s not perfect

Helleofabore · 09/02/2022 09:38

Once you see the pride in the posting of the abuse of their spouse (were they honeymoon photos or am I thinking of other photos), everything falls into place.

MoltenLasagne · 09/02/2022 09:11

Another Streisand effect here - shocking and, to me, quite upsetting revelations in Lavery's own words.

Original poster

SpiderVersed · 09/02/2022 08:55

Seven suffering from the Streisand Effect. I have now looked up a bit about Lavery and family. Wow, that’s a whole lots of stuff I can understand wanting to keep quiet!

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Rightsraptor · 09/02/2022 07:05

Alekto - happily I think there's zero chance of the fruit farmers taking down anything at all, still less anything unflattering about Grace Lavery because Grace Lavery demands it. They'd just laugh in Grace's face. Or Grace's lawyer's face, which Grace should know, living in the US.

The farm posted a clip of the terrorist shooting in Christchurch, NZ, a few years ago. Jacinda Ardern wanted it removed and Joshua Moon, aka 'Null' the boss of KF, gave her a lecture about freedom of speech being enshrined in the constitution and it was a big fat 'No'.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/02/2022 00:50

I think I'll do what Lavery politely suggests in the title, and give it a miss.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/02/2022 00:07

Sorry, wrong thread!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/02/2022 23:45

Finally, a positive review for LP. I think I must have read six reviews of the book by now!

www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/sexual-revolution-modern-fascism-and-the-feminist-fightback-1.4789890

Alekto · 08/02/2022 01:17

@heathspeedwell

I now understand why Seven is so very keen to prevent women from doing more research about Lavery on other sites.

Reading Lavery's own words is concerning to say the least. Thank goodness there are sites that meticulously back up everything that certain people say on social media.

I've found the fruit 🥝 farms' threads to be very informative about Yaniv, Challenor, and in passing, Chase Strangio. They do seem very keen on receipts and archiving; I reckon they're primarily accountants. Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look there for threads on Lavery tomorrow. That's assuming our little scold doesn't pay them a visit and instruct them to delete and shut up or risk being called right wing

Melroses · 07/02/2022 22:00

@DomesticatedZombie

It's an awful pun.

Yes - it is just replace a word with penis 🤷‍♀️

Gosports · 07/02/2022 21:15

@Clymene got it, thank you

DomesticatedZombie · 07/02/2022 21:04

It's an awful pun.

Clymene · 07/02/2022 20:57

@Gosports

Does anyone else have a share token? The link just takes me to the Times homepage. Thanks.

I posted an archive link earlier

Clymene · 07/02/2022 20:57

[quote JustSpeculation]@Clymene,

Thank you. I don't get what's good about it, but then that's probably why I failed Eng Lit. I suppose you actually have to read the book.[/quote]
It's not that good really. I think she was trying to start with a positive

Gosports · 07/02/2022 20:57

Does anyone else have a share token? The link just takes me to the Times homepage. Thanks.

JustSpeculation · 07/02/2022 20:50

@Clymene,

Thank you. I don't get what's good about it, but then that's probably why I failed Eng Lit. I suppose you actually have to read the book.

Clymene · 07/02/2022 20:41

@JustSpeculation

I failed Eng Lit A-level. Can someone explain the literary pun in the title?

It's a pun on a book by Dave Eggers: A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius