Dare I ask - the trans issue?

Tired of
Explaining
Reality to
Fuckwits

*the (not rye) - pesky fat thumbs and when you most need it, autocorrect doesn't work.

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea
Like rye 5th Duke of Timbuctoo. When he dies his title will only ever pass to a male heir. The 6th Duke of Timbuctoo will be a male ....never a transman.
I'm assuming if a male has a GRC (making them a transwoman) they wouldn't be allowed to inherit the title either?

You are a 'terf' by their standards.

The trouble is their standards are a load of bollocks. Its trying to shame you into saying black is white. Its a type of mind control and gaslighting to coerce you into telling the lie.

Its abusive, its sexist and its homophobic.

If TWAW then how come Women can't be Transwomen?

Sexist stereotypes of what a women should be like and they live does not make someone a woman.

'Live life in an authetic way'? What the fuck does that actually mean? Please do explain in a way that isn't restrictive and detrimental to women.

I do believe that there is a difference between sex and gender

I've never come across a definition of gender that didn't ultimately rely on social stereotypes. With this in mind, why not tackle the stereotypes rather than those feeling they don't conform to them? If you have an alternative definition that doesn't rely on this, I'd be interested to hear it.

Whether or not trans women are women, I am in the camp that believes they should be treated as women in society. Their experiences will be different, but my experiences will be very different to yours.

What do you mean by 'treated as women in society'? Do you mean doing most of the mundane caring roles such as changing shitty nappies? Do you mean being murdered at the rate of 3 a week? Do you mean being denied a promotion for being of child bearing age?

Can you be more specific?

I believe everyone should be able to live in any way that they choose, and that should be 100% respected.

I do believe that there is a difference between sex and gender, and sometimes sex is the more relevant attribute (as regards health matters, for example). While that needs to be handled sensitively, it can't be ignored.

I think getting the terminology right is important. If we could conceded "woman" = female gendered and "female" = born female sex (or something along those lines), and then have a grown up discussion about where lines should be drawn by sex or by gender (for sport, prisons, etc), then I think that would solve a lot of problems.

And they are welcome to live in a way that feels authentic to them. However their feeling does not negate the scientific fact that they are men.
They are not and never can be women because humans cannot change sex.
They are men who present themselves as women.

TWAW pisses me off. NO YOU AREN'T.
Just like I'm not a cat.

Except inheriting titles of course. That's not open to transmen. Tells you so much about a country's priorities that that was the one place the government drew the line.

Yes. I'd say having your cock or tits chopped off by the surgeon is extreme too.

I think trans people should be treated with respect and kindness, and that people should be able to present how they like without being harrassed. I also have no problem using someone's preferred name and pronoun.

However I also think:

• Males should not be in women's sports or women's single-sex spaces (prisons, refuges, changing rooms)
• Children and teens should not be put on a path to medication and surgery
• We need to be allowed a word for biological females and a word for biological males

Some possible solutions:

• Third unisex spaces (good for trans people, gender non-conforming people, people with caring responsibilities for people of the opposite sex)
• Sports: could change the men's category to a "male and open" category and make it clear that trans women and non-binary males are very welcome and will not be harrassed for how they present; females who have taken testosterone could also play in this category
• Children and teens: encouragement to wear and play with what they like and encourage breaking down gender stereotypes without affirming that a child definitely is or isn't trans. More funding for MH support to cover gender issues together with other issues. Transition (social or medical) to be an adult decision
• Language: I would vote that in general terms woman means female and man means male, otherwise no-one knows what anyone else means. But we can change the language for individuals, e.g. if I was talking about an individual trans man I would say man (even if they are not literally a man). Ditto for other terms - keep pregnant women and breastfeeding etc but use alternative terms if an individual requests it.

It’s possible for men to become women the legal sense. I will of course treat anyone as they wish to be treated in a social setting and use the pronouns they prefer etc But no it’s not possible for a person to physically change sex. I’m not going to pretend things that are not true in order to ‘be kind’. I also think that means it has to be recognised that someone who has been through male puberty has an unfair advantage and should not be competing in women’s sport.

Not women. Trans ideology perpetuates harmful sex stereotypes and does catastrophic damage to vulnerable people.

They are women.

No, they're not. They're biological men.

None of them want to beat your daughters at tennis or taunt you in the bogs.

Of course. I'm sure that's true of the majority. The problem is with the ones who do want this and the fact that the law allows them to.

They just want to live in a way that feels most authentic to them

I one hundred percent support them in this, up until the point where I'm being asked to pretend that people can change their sex.

What I dislike is women's hard fought rights being eroded. I dislike how women's spaces (prisons, changing rooms etc), sports, prizes, shortlists are being taken over by men who identify as women. I dislike how same sex attracted women are being told they need to include males. I dislike how the word woman is being eroded from policies. How we can't talk about our unique biology. I dislike how all this is being framed as transphobic.

Surely this can't go on like it is, there has to be crunch time when some brave soul(s) manage to get our women only environments back to how they should be. I.e. for women/girls only. For safety and sanity reasons. It is so depressing to even think about how we're being put at risk, either that or having to avoid living our lives how we want to, for fear of seeing non females in changing rooms/toilets/hospital wards/etc. It's blatantly obvious males are going to use the situation to their advantage.

Why are we having to put up with it, is any politician taking up the cause?

I am not against anybody wanting to believe they are the opposite of the sex they were born as, so long as it doesn't impact on other people's lives in a detrimental way. Which currently it does!

Transwomen are not women. They are men who for various reasons want to live a life without the constraints of the gender stereotypes imposed upon men. Like all people, they deserve to be treated with respect. It is not possible to change sex and the law should reflect that reality.

@twomumsonebump @theqentity

In what way are transwomen women? Can you explain it to me?

No you are right! It’s a mental illness - nobody can change sex. It’s no different to claiming to be black, disabled etc it’s an insult to women.