Dare I ask - the trans issue?

Now, there are areas where I would probably agree with the majority here:

• sport should generally be segregated by sex, not gender, otherwise there is just not point in segregating them at all
• male born sex offenders should not be allowed in women's prisons. (Saying that, there should be zero tolerance any rape in prisons, including male on male)
• when collecting data, for example, in census or for health and crime statistics, then both birth sex and gender are important.
• young people should not take hormones that might negatively affect them in later life until they are adults.

But I don't think that should stop someone born a man from living as a woman, if that would make them happier, and I'm happy to call them what they like. I don't think that is controversial.

I was reading this thread earlier and I immediately wondered how quickly it would get moved to the naughty corner.

But some people say that they do, and who am I to tell them how they feel?

Except, if they say they feel like you do, a woman, they are actually defining how ‘you’ feel and what ‘you’ need.

But some people say that they do, and who am I to tell them how they feel?

What if they told you they feel like an African American or a Japanese person? Would you take a similar view?

But some people say that they do, and who am I to tell them how they feel?

Woman is not a feeling. The state of being female cannot be identified in or out of.

If it could, I'm sure all female rape victims would identify out of it to prevent the attack. I'd identify out of my birth injuries.

@PenStation the trans community need to solve that problem then. I don't see anyone being vocal about it on social media. All I see is women being called terfs and threatened with rape.

But some people say that they do, and who am I to tell them how they feel?

@SlipperyLizard " it is to appease transwomen, who want “woman” to be divorced from biological reality - as otherwise there’d be a similar clamour for men to be called “people with penises” (because apparently women can have penises too) and strangely nobody ever seems to argue for that!

It never occurred to me why we don't hear men called "people with penis" but you are spot on.

Oh fuck, just noticed that the thread has been shifted to a quiet corner of the discussion board. Can't we get it reinstated back to AIBU? This needs to be a mainstream conversation because there are wider implications that impact everyone.

My friend of many years who is a trans woman and I are sharing a Friday night G&T. I was reading this thread when she arrived at my place and we've been reading some of the comments.

My friend and others label the trans activists who want access to women's spaces and sports as a men's rights movement who are encouraging more hostility towards trans people. My friend says that because she grew up and was socialised as a man, she can spot male entitlement at one hundred paces. And it is making the wider public more hostile to the trans community, who are mostly not activists and just want to live their lives in peace.

And the threads been move to the naughty corner

Was there a poll attached to the thread in AIBU?

Those things get bloody inconvenient if you're trying to push a narrative that its only 6 women on the feminist board who are concerned about the impact of self ID on women's rights. The polls always seem to show its the majority of posters on the thread, it's awkward so the treads are moved. Our external moderators are very report happy but they're not silencing women at all!

I wonder if the original poster has their answer yet? I think the results are pretty clear cut (y'all)..... :)

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@slashlover "OP, you've been here for several years, how can you NOT know how MN feels about it?" I was wondering the same thing[/quote]
Because threads about this issue keep getting taken from other sections and put in feminism? I spent over a year lurking on MN before I discovered the feminism section and realised I needed to sign up for an account.

The great and the good made sure there was an exemption in the GRA so that males weren't disadvantaged. Think on that

That is very interesting indeed

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@slashlover "OP, you've been here for several years, how can you NOT know how MN feels about it?" I was wondering the same thing[/quote]
Strangely enough, I have friends who have no idea this is all happening. I imagine if you scroll over threads that don’t interest you (although it seems some posters simply cannot do this and therefore complain to have threads moved that are not to their liking) you could exist without knowing anything about it.

Are you upset that OP raised the issue?

Agree rvn123

As long as MNHQ keep moving threads it gives the impression that this is something that should be swept under the carpet, or that doesn't concern average women "on the street".
MNHQ this DOES CONCERN women everywhere, even ones who are not traditionally interested in women's rights or feminism.
I think you are doing women a disservice by continually sweeping such threads into the naughty corner.
Who are you to decide what should and should not interest women?
Disappointing.

You are not allowed to talk about this in AIBU. Threads get shifted here, to the Naughty Corner.
You will be told it's to do with thread neatness - putting them where they belong. This is not the case with any other threads on AIBU, just this topic.
It used to, I think, be a way to contain the questioning of this topic to one easily contained area. Isn't working so well any more, as women are thinking about it all over the place.

@slashlover "OP, you've been here for several years, how can you NOT know how MN feels about it?" I was wondering the same thing

Yes, it was in AIBU, wasn't it?