Mridul Wadwha and the thought police

@barleybadminton do you agree with their decision to exclude these woman?

Could anyone please explain the difference between cross dressers and transwomen?

Shall we start posting the trans activists who have issued death and rape threats over the past 5 years?

Okay let's. Please point out one prominent trans activist in the UK who has issued a credible rape or death threat (as opposed to anonymous twitter trolls).

And because it is a rather different political environment.

I am not moving the goal posts.

Please assume that any request from any poster on this board for evidence on feminist opinions should be based on the UK unless stated otherwise.

You have been here long enough that we should not have to rehash this discussion. But please do continue to play the disingenuous poster.

Shall we start posting the trans activists who have issued death and rape threats over the past 5 years?

Would you like us to do this? I am very happy to start.

We could also include who websites where these have been captured and where lesbians have been abused by transitioned males for rejecting their claims that those transitioned males are lesbians too and that the females deserve rape and death for their boundaries.

Shall I start?

I will also include the latest batch of transitioned male and allies protesters who like to do things like let of smoke devices in Grenfell, those who like to shout abusive slogans during sessions where women are recounting dead women's names who have died at the hand of males, and drawing threats on pavements and such.

So, no UK feminists then barely? Just your usual reliance on the US to back up your discussions that centre on the UK.

Yet more moving the goalposts I see. I fail to see why feminists from the US have no relevance to this debate.

I still don't think I've had an answer as to why Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre can offer groups for many different services users but not provide a single sex service for women who require it, using the single sex exemptions allowed to them in law.

But she worked in the sector for nearly 15 years without anyone even knowing she was trans so that suggests she is more motivated by supporting survivors of sexual violence than cheer-leading for trans rights.

In a blog post titled 'On Validation and Tolerance', someone who had met MW during the time you are talking about mentioned just how easy it was to work out that MW was male.

I cannot link it here, it is in an archive site which MN deleted my link to a few pages ago.

Not only did the author mention that 14 years before writing, they met MW but that at the time they had a discernible Adam's apple and voice. And that 'power' that we discussed earlier in regards to 'Louise and the power of women in need', it was very apparent too.

In this instance, it came from putting people in a position where they had to validate MW's appearance as a woman. After the event, MW and the author's friend sat and discussed the 'bigots, and intolerant idiots' who avoided answering the question.

This has been posted on MN before as I recalled seeing it. The name has stuck with me.

I look forward though to barely producing something which denounces this recollection. I hope that barley can produce something from a person who has nothing to lose in their honesty, in other words, that testimony is not compelled at all, and was not in a traumatised state at the time they made the error in identifying this person as a female. When the testimony is from someone who has met MW in person, without any surgeries aimed at feminising them.

While I wait for certain posters to actually read the whole of all the posts in this thread thus far, I'm going to do something I'm told is more age-appropriate for me than posting on mumsnet about 70s feminism:

playing Mario games.

As you missed it, I'll help.

The willingness to have female genitalia and to abstain from sex, the lack of emphasis on the penis as such, raise many questions about the maleness of these perceived men. Maybe Bloom’s subjective reaction to these female-to-male transsexuals - these are men - might not withstand more aggressive scrutiny: has any of them ever committed a sexual assault? Are they communicating with her as women might, or might being oneself appear to be male, lacking as it does the deviousness and decoration of the female role in the west?

Barley the MRA. Depressing but very imformative for anyone watching.

I'd really like to know why my post was deleted.

There isn't much rhyme or reason to what is allowed and what is not here. I guess that the Law of Averages means that some will fall.

Solnit is not 2nd wave by any stretch.

I did not think so either.

It was like a poster found an article by Emma Allen and just copied the references and threw in Dworkin.

I mean this sentence is not going to catch the world alight.

The majority of feminists are accepting of transpeople. Yeah. They are! Some feminists have a clearly defined boundary of how far they believe gender should be prioritised over sex and that sex matters in some instances... like males presenting themselves as a female for a role designated for females.

And the author couldn't even get Suzanne Moore's name correct.

And frankly, the author, Emma Allen just throws in a whole heap of tropishness and doesn't provide any credible evidence to support the denouncement of :

It seems that radical feminists have their priorities out of whack. They seem to see the biggest threat coming from transpeople and allies rather than attacks on abortion, economic exploitation or domestic violence. Online debates focus on not allowing transwomen in “women’s” bathrooms as though there needs to be some sort of bathroom police on duty. These ridiculous debates detract from much more productive conversations on how to organize against sexism.

Their hatred does not have any place in our struggle. Feminism is supposed to be an ideology of transcending gender oppression and eliminating the strict binary definition of gender, not reinforcing it. Feminists should be against hatred and bigotry in all forms and respect everyone’s right to biological autonomy.

Umm.... has this author read anything really by some of those 'anti-trans' feminists she reels off?

Is this the level of feminist thinking you think proves your point barely?

Could Bindel be accused of not fighting for rights around abortion, economic exploitation (including prostitution but good article barley) and domestic violence?

Home goal really. Brings the discussion back to :

What kind of mind can deny that right to request a female examiner to a shaking, traumatised woman on the worst day of her life when that person is also the CEO of a rape crisis centre?

Frankly, I am indebted to you for supplying the context of her earlier book, which she referred to it this article, written in 2003. Like us these years later, Andrea Dworkin was willing to consider the impact on women.

She is reviewing a book about cross dressers not trans women, a book which favourably argues that trans men are men incidentally.

Some 2nd wavers on this letter in support of Greer and others who've been 'no platformed':

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2015/feb/14/letters-censorship

I think we have inadvertently answered my question.

The answer may be "a mind that sees a woman's horror and scorn of her rapist as a crime equivalent with the rape".

Women's words are worse than men's actions.

To quote Dr Em

One of the clearest signs that people don’t really believe that these transsexuals/transgenderists have changed sex is that their behaviour will be excused and a woman disbelieved and slandered if she speaks up.

Solnit is not 2nd wave by any stretch.

2nd wave feminists?

Yay Germaine!

What kind of mind can deny that right to request a female examiner to a shaking, traumatised woman on the worst day of her life when that person is also the CEO of a rape crisis centre?

Well, I don't know what that got deleted for, all I did was like PurgatoryofPotholes' post?