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Mridul Wadwha and the thought police

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IamSarah · 03/02/2022 17:58

Great article in Spiked Online about Mridul Wadwha's latest shenanigans:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/01/the-thought-police-are-here/

To briefly summarise:

  • Mridul was born male
  • Mridul is legally male with no GRC
  • Mridul is the CEO of Edinburgh Rape crisis
  • Mridul claims women who want female only rape crisis services are bigoted and should 'reframe their trauma'
  • The CEO of a domestic violence charity Nicola Murray stopped referring women to Mridul's rape crisis service due to Mridul's misogyny
  • Mridul reported Nicola Murray to the police for committing a hate crime
  • The police actually visited Nicola Murray to question her thinking
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Iguanothankyoudon · 05/02/2022 11:22

Seriously creepy.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 05/02/2022 10:48

are we allowed to say yet that it's incredibly fucking creepy for a man to move heaven and earth to have a career which gives him power over vulnerable and traumatised women?

Fernlake · 05/02/2022 09:52

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Reframing trauma is a very common approach in counselling/support services and it's an entirely unremarkable comment from someone doing the job she does.

That was definitely not the way it was used. I don't know who you think is buying it.

Oops that was in response to this.
Fernlake · 05/02/2022 09:51

No-one.

IamSarah · 05/02/2022 09:46

@N0Name

Wasn’t MWs main experience in telephone counselling where MW revealed MW revelled in the power of being able to grant or deny food charity? I am sure I read this on a previous thread about MW….

Also remember reading that individuals who had undergone counselling with MW were not in the least complimentary of MWs therapeutic relationship or advice….

Does anyone remember similar?

I haven't heard that but I know that a woman born female wouldn't get away with.

Nor would a woman born female get away with blatantly lying on her job application or telling rape victims they are bigoted and need to reframe their trauma.

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N0Name · 05/02/2022 09:28

Wasn’t MWs main experience in telephone counselling where MW revealed MW revelled in the power of being able to grant or deny food charity? I am sure I read this on a previous thread about MW….

Also remember reading that individuals who had undergone counselling with MW were not in the least complimentary of MWs therapeutic relationship or advice….

Does anyone remember similar?

Awiltu · 04/02/2022 23:50

barleybadminton
It is not [VAWG services’] fault if alternative [single-sex] provision does not exist and it is unfair to attack them for it. They have chosen to be a trans inclusive service, they are the ones getting up every morning to do the work and it is their right to decide what kind of service they offer and who to - provided they remain within the Equality Act - and there is nothing in the act which prevents service providers from offering a service to two different protected groups.

Then I assume barley would be just as content if an analogous rationale was used by a rape crisis centre that wanted to provide female-only services?

"It is not VAWG services’ fault if alternative provision for transwomen does not exist and it is unfair to attack them for it. They have chose to be a single-sex service, they are the ones getting up every morning to do the work and it is their right to decide what kind of service they offer and who to – provided they remain within the Equality Act – and there is nothing in the Act which prevents service providers from offering a service to a single protected group."

Because it would be hypocritical to accept the first statement as true, reasonable and legal but not the second, no?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 23:43

MW is not a fit person to be involved with this sector, because judging by their comments and actions MW has zero respect or empathy for women who have suffered male violence. MW flaunts that in full public glare.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 23:40

But thanks for yet another demonstration of how gender identity ideology utterly fails women and girls.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 23:39

Wanting female spaces to recover from male violence is not "bigotry". It's callous in the extreme to frame women's trauma responses that way.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 23:37

Reframing trauma is a very common approach in counselling/support services and it's an entirely unremarkable comment from someone doing the job she does.

That was definitely not the way it was used. I don't know who you think is buying it.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 04/02/2022 23:27

You were just saying that Stonewall couldn't set up specialist support services because they didn't have the expertise. By Jove, I have hit on the answer. Barley, you should apply there and establish their service, as you have the expertise to say this terminology is acceptable!

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 23:10

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I don't think it's about validating her feelings, I think it's because she has a lot of experience in the sector, is presumably good at her job and that's why the board appointed her.

Again you're not addressing the point being made. MW believes women who don't believe TWAW and want female only rape services should be "educated" or expected to "reframe their trauma". MW, the male leader of ERCC has gone on record more than once to say it. This is indefensible.

Reframing trauma is a very common approach in counselling/support services and it's an entirely unremarkable comment from someone doing the job she does. And bigotry has always been challenged in such services, it has to be, you can't expect a project to function if people feel they can be openly bigoted to other members of the group.
barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 23:05

@CompleteGinasaur

They pulled the story because Nicola Murray herself asked them to, citing her concerns about what was effectively doxxing of her personal information and concerns about the publicising of her home address and therefore the safety of her family.
They didn't publish her home address and there's no way they would pull a story for that reason. They might amend it, or add a clarification, but to pull the entire thing is exceedingly rare and only ever usualy happens when it is deemed completely unrescuable - in other words it's a load of nonsense. The story contained no more detail than the spiked story which began this thread. It may well have been embellished, Murray said that herself and referenced hyperbole - which means elements a least of the story were untrue assuming you take her word for it.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 22:57

I don't think it's about validating her feelings, I think it's because she has a lot of experience in the sector, is presumably good at her job and that's why the board appointed her.

Again you're not addressing the point being made. MW believes women who don't believe TWAW and want female only rape services should be "educated" or expected to "reframe their trauma". MW, the male leader of ERCC has gone on record more than once to say it. This is indefensible.

IamSarah · 04/02/2022 22:56

don't think it's about validating her feelings, I think it's because she has a lot of experience in the sector, is presumably good at her job and that's why the board appointed

'She' has no GRC and is legally male. Do you think that any male cross dresser who wants to run a women's rape crisis centre should be given a shot?

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CompleteGinasaur · 04/02/2022 22:52

They pulled the story because Nicola Murray herself asked them to, citing her concerns about what was effectively doxxing of her personal information and concerns about the publicising of her home address and therefore the safety of her family.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 04/02/2022 22:52

Then why pull the story? There's some desperate reaching going on here.

The reaching would be Seven's post. Your problem here is that I can read. Don't worry, many others have found my reading comprehension inconveniently high, too.

The original statement was from Brodie's Trust, so it makes sense that that would be the subject of the complaint.

The police have not denied visiting Nicola Murray though.

Nicola was deluged with abuse on twitter after that article was printed, and journalists got the facts of how she lost her son Brodie offensively wrong. That would explain the withdrawal.

Rightsraptor · 04/02/2022 22:50

Nicola Murray has herself explained exactly what happened when the police called at her home so its hardly the place of The Times to say it didn't happen. Sounds like they gave the the job of writing that piece to a journalist who wasn't bothered about accuracy. Not unusual now, I feel.

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 22:50

@IamSarah

I hold my hands up and admit I don't trust men. I don't believe that all males who want access to vulnerable women have good intentions. I don't believe I'm not being manipulated and lied to. I'm cynical precisely because I was manipulated and lied to by my abusers.

The whole thing with Mridul boils down to what message Edinburgh rape crisis is giving to women.

The implication is it's more important for women to validate a male's feelings and be inclusive than to feel safe in a rape crisis centre.

Do you think that's ok Barley?

I don't think it's about validating her feelings, I think it's because she has a lot of experience in the sector, is presumably good at her job and that's why the board appointed her.
IamSarah · 04/02/2022 22:48

I hold my hands up and admit I don't trust men. I don't believe that all males who want access to vulnerable women have good intentions. I don't believe I'm not being manipulated and lied to. I'm cynical precisely because I was manipulated and lied to by my abusers.

The whole thing with Mridul boils down to what message Edinburgh rape crisis is giving to women.

The implication is it's more important for women to validate a male's feelings and be inclusive than to feel safe in a rape crisis centre.

Do you think that's ok Barley?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2022 22:45

Why the story in the first place?

barleybadminton · 04/02/2022 22:38

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Perhaps they reported her charity, meaning Nicola was not the "subject of a complaint".
Then why pull the story? There's some desperate reaching going on here.
CompleteGinasaur · 04/02/2022 22:37

Or perhaps someone 'just had a quiet word'...?

IamSarah · 04/02/2022 22:34

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Perhaps they reported her charity, meaning Nicola was not the "subject of a complaint".
That sounds more likely
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