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Signalbox · 02/02/2022 20:21

Just putting this here. KPSS have a crowd funder going and are asking for support…

mobile.twitter.com/NoXYinXXprisons/status/1488967091046727681

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DERFDogmaExlusionary · 27/03/2022 15:30

great (though disturbing) article by Dr Kate Coleman, Director of Keep Prisons Single Sex
lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/10/if-we-dont-we-get-a-punishment-no-freedom-of-speech-for-women-in-prison-says-dr-kate-coleman-director-of-keep-prisons-single-sex/

"However, what shocked me the most was when she told me in a completely matter-of-fact voice, we have to call them ‘she’ and use their female names and if we don’t we get a punishment. Even the ones who are sexual offenders?! Yes. Even the ones who show off their penises in the shower with you?! Yes. If we don’t we get a punishment."

KittyLeMew · 19/02/2022 21:11

Just bumping this again in case anyone is 🥕🥬🍅🥦🥔

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/02/2022 18:45

That would be great, Necessary!

NecessaryScene · 16/02/2022 15:49

Given how hard they went on that, I think they may have realised there's a new angle they can cover.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did a follow-up investigation of the "everybody's a bot" cowboys later.

There's a burgeoning market in these self-appointed experts who tell people what they want to hear.

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 16/02/2022 15:32

Another one coming on to mention the Private Eye article - well done them for such a decent correction.

SpiderVersed · 16/02/2022 14:18

That's a good correction. Pleased to see Private Eye accepting they got it very wrong.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/02/2022 14:10

Private Eye have published a selection of letters from many NotBots including Dr Kate Coleman, and a correction to the claim that it was all driven by bots.

twitter.com/Nikki13687705/status/1493887115654017024?s=20&t=Hfd6uDFuGCDWfB4wd2f5kQ

KittyLeMew · 07/02/2022 23:18

Great links @ScreamingMeMe and @Ereshkigalangcleg

I expect hell will freeze over before the NS apologise but will Private Eye?

That Logically company is a mess.

I shall donate again!

BecauseOfTheRain · 07/02/2022 17:51

Thanks for this, I've donated

ScreamingMeMe · 07/02/2022 16:14

[quote Ereshkigalangcleg]Another more technical article

jamesomalley.substack.com/p/i-am-extremely-sceptical-of-claims[/quote]
That's good. Looks like some shoddy 'research' has been throughly debunked.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2022 11:33

Another more technical article

jamesomalley.substack.com/p/i-am-extremely-sceptical-of-claims

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2022 10:36

Now, I don’t doubt for one moment that there are bots sowing misinformation on social media, and identifying them can be hard, but what Logically have done is produce a partisan piece of disinformation with the sole intention of discrediting the Keep Prisons Single Sex campaign. They don’t robustly identify any bots, nor do they quantify the impact of those bots on the trend itself.

Definitely. Great article.

Someone on Twitter did a thread about how Logically aren't exactly the politically neutral fact checkers they present themselves to be:

https://twitter.com/josthorns/status/1485992894309847057?s=20&t=mlhd9v7iIpXX4hhaUBVktA

KittyLeMew · 06/02/2022 19:15

Brilliant article!

Logically my arse!

#notabot

KittyLeMew · 06/02/2022 14:19

The latest tactic is to make sweeping claims about how we have been radicalised, indoctrinated, live in an echo chamber, are paranoid, or sucked into a wave of moral panic when WE are the people concerned with biological fact and they are literally trying to call a spade a fork, then accuse us of forkphobia when we question this.

If you haven’t read it already, this lazy article lumps us into one homogenous radicalised mass of tragic old women who need to get a life and think about something else:
www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/02/feminism-has-been-reduced-to-the-transgender-debate

Well dimwit, I’ve felt like this all my life, lived through lad/laddette culture and hated it, wrote my dissertation on the artificiality and limitations of gender stereotypes on which you and your pals now define female and male identities. Mumsnet didn’t radicalise me but thank god it allows me to communicate with other women who prioritise the safety of women and girls.

I’ve amended one of her paragraphs below. No, Marie, you are not a feminist.

“It is infuriating, of course, but also saddening. There are many problems facing women today and we will only be able to solve them by, at times, working with people who we disagree with on other issues. Rape convictions are abysmally low [AND WE ARE FIGHTING TO REMOVE SAFE SINGLE SEX SPACES INCLUDING CHANGING ROOMS AND TOILETS; FOR MALE BODIED RAPISTS AND MURDERERS TO BE HOUSED IN THE FEMALE ESTATE; FOR VICTIMS TO BE DENIED SINGLE SEX RAPE COUNSELLING] and police forces are institutionally sexist [AND HOUNDING FEMINISTS FOR WRONGTHINK]; mothers are still discriminated against in the workplace [DID I SAY MOTHERS - I MEAN BIRTHING PERSON/CHEST FEEDER] and refuges are still woefully underfunded [AND TRANSWOMEN ARE POSTING GLOATING VIDEOS FROM HAVING ACCESSED THESE SINGLE SEX SPACES - WHICH BTW SHOULDN’T BE SINGLE SEX DESPITE ABUSED WOMEN’S VULNERABILITY AND TRAUMA].”

TheWeeDonkey · 06/02/2022 09:31

I'm going to come across as a right idiot, but I'm confused.

How is it an extremist, unpopular and entirely new POV that only female people should be in women prison and girls young offenders facilities?

I heard somewhere that we've be "radicalised" to believe this but it's something I've always believed and it didn't seem so extreme around 10 or so years ago.

So what's going on? Why is MSM and some lib fems taking on MRA causes and fighting for them so desperately?

sharksarecool · 06/02/2022 09:04

It shouldn't even matter how many people agree/disagree with KPSS. I should matter what is right and fair. The whole article is working on the assumption that people people should set their moral compasses by what is popular rather than what is true. If we go back in history there were times when almost everybody thought the world was flat and that slavery was a good thing. But some things will always be wrong even regardless of what popular opinion thinks

DevonTF · 06/02/2022 08:50

For anyone on Twitter - Adding KPSS to you name is also a great way of showing up the shite they wrote.

KittyLeMew · 05/02/2022 23:41

Anyway that’s reminded me I must send my #notabot postcard to Private Eye, I’ve got a nice replica Suffragettes postcard that will work perfectly Grin

KittyLeMew · 05/02/2022 23:23

So doesn’t the work of a fairly small grass roots women’s rights organisation seem like a bit of a swerve?

Reading their report, it’s shockingly biased and ill-researched, particularly considering how they position themselves, can’t work our whether they did this off their own steam (because it’s a hot button issue - so great publicity - horrifying) or were they paid to do so (horrifying).

Either way it reads like the work of a couple of first year uni lib fems with some techy botchat chucked in and frankly they can go fuck themselves. They are pulling this with an organisation fighting for women who ARE being abused by violent men including rapists and paedophiles who are gaming the system. But yeah, sure, go after KPSS, subject vulnerable women to further abuse, woohoo fight corruption great.

People honestly sicken me.

And once again I don’t give a fuck if no one tweets the hashtag! It’s wrong. Women are being harassed and abused. Men are gaming the system. This isn’t some bleep bloop hashtag issue, it’s a horrible reality for women, many of whom have been abused throughout their lives.

#keepprisonssinglesex

#notabot

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/02/2022 22:45

Why the hell are New Statesman and Private Eye backing men’s-rights activists against female prisoners?

You could hardly find a more powerless, vulnerable group than women in prison. But go ahead, boys, put the boot in. Hope it makes you feel good.

Jdsnake · 04/02/2022 15:03

wtaf does that ‘factchecker’ think it’s doing - this isn’t some lighthearted celeb viral

Logically.ai are a professional organisation that work with governments and large businesses, their previous publications before the #KPSS one included

"Bots Spread Disinformation That Indian Cabinet Removed Sikhs From Army"

"Pakistan-Based Disinformation Op Focuses on Mizoram-Assam Border"

"Tracking Nationalist Narratives On The Moplah Rebellion"

"Polarizing Misinfo Narratives Continue to Hijack Farmers' Protests"

teawamutu · 04/02/2022 13:38

#StreisandBot

KittyLeMew · 03/02/2022 23:58

Yes! #botgoals

Signalbox · 03/02/2022 22:27

Hopefully the bot conspiracy will draw even more attention to the great work that KPSS do!

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