What rights don't trans and nb people have?

Who are the people behind this ?
Just randoms or people with a bit of clout and institutional stamps 9f approval?

The idea that any teen should be able to go and buy hormones the second they have a desire to play with gender is just horrific. Never mind the potential life long irreversible consequences eh.

Seriously though that manifesto… don’t know whether to laugh or cry

This is all too familiar.

White, male councillor under 40. Check.
Council in need of serious scrutiny and policy over crime rates and delivering stat services. Check.
"Easy" motion that has little real impact on high stress local issues. Check.
Motion that echoes fashionable cultural issues. Check.

This is how these types think politics is done. Sometimes, I seriously think we'd be better off with a bunch of 19th century top-hatted capitalists. At least the roads would be better, the crime rate lower, and while children in care might not get a second helping of porridge, at least they would be safe from grooming gangs.

Just responding to OP.

It's not that they are lacking in any rights at all. It's just that women have rights men don't and they don't like it because they don't like women.

Good god that list

Complete bonkers. You cannot have healthcare based on wants and demands fgs. Medicines are regulated fir a reason. Drs and pharmacists have to ask questions. 2 people the same age the same sex with the same condition may need 2 entirely different treatments.

Until they acknowledge the side effects and problems that these medications cause they should have no say in it what so ever. Even water can kill you. Informed consent is a must. Which means accepting side affects exist .

What I don't get is: let's say you are a transwoman. You have become a woman. Well, welcome to a woman's world, where chronic pain is ignored (the gender pain gap: men get painkillers in A&E quicker than women with abdominal pain. 16 minutes quicker, on average gender pain gap ) Where women get paid less (the gender pay gap). Where women get smaller pensions, where women get.....and so on.

So they either want women's rights to be advanced, or they don't actually want to be women. The cognitive dissonance is boggling.

I can’t believe that anyone is defending this ridiculous rambling word vomit of “ME ME ME”…!

I also can’t believe what sort of deluded mind would think this up, let alone commit it to writing.

We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender.

Are they asking for BCs in their entirety to be scrapped or 'just' for the box that gives the baby's sex to be dropped? If we're going to scrap BCs, why not everything else: passports, driving licences, NI numbers, property ownership deeds, employment contracts? In what sane modern world would anybody dream that having no record of people's actual existence is a wise idea?!

However, I 100% agree that there should be no such thing as 'legal gender', as it causes no end of problems and confusion. So much easier to just keep the records of people's biological sex - as we traditionally always did - and keep 'gender' identity and expression (whatever that is) for social purposes only.

But I'm confused: wasn't it the TRAs who originally fought for and demanded that we obfuscate sex and gender and pretend that they're the same thing? I don't imagine for a moment that any of us who are quite content to have our sex recorded as either male or female, corresponding wholly with our biological anatomy, were the driving force behind the demands that 'legal gender' ever even be a thing. It does very much seem like they're trying to blame the vast majority for agreeing to something that they insisted on in the first place, that only they ever actually wanted.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

You've missed out the other points which @yourhairiswinterfire posted -

• We demand hormones & blockers are made available over-the-counter and by free prescription upon request

• We demand the free & timely provision of genital surgeries, additive & reductive chest surgeries, hysterectomies and orchiectomies, tracheal & vocal surgeries, facial surgeries, lipoplasty, contouring & microdermabrasion, surgical hair removal & transplantation, and any other possible procedure to meet our needs as we express them

My bolds. It seems fairly clear that these refer to free of charge rather than freely available, which was stated explicitly in the only point which you quoted.

The demands were posted on page 1 of this thread
We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies
Oh OK, thanks
I read that as freely available as in easy to get like any other medication though, not that it means literally get it for free

I suppose the only small mercy is that the Council have openly said that their policy is TWAW, TMAM etc which gives female voters an informed choice about who to vote for in the next election, if they believe in single sex spaces and women's rights.

The Scottish Government were censured by a judge in a recent court case for stating that their policy is TWAW, TMAM etc despite the fact that there are no records of this being publicised to the general public, no discussions or consultations and no documents of any kind stating this.

That 'manifesto' of demands is ridiculous but unsurprising, particularly as it was cooked up in Edinburgh.

Missed the bit where they said demanded it free too?

The demands were posted on page 1 of this thread.

• We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies

• We demand hormones & blockers are made available over-the-counter and by free prescription upon request

• We demand the free & timely provision of genital surgeries, additive & reductive chest surgeries, hysterectomies and orchiectomies, tracheal & vocal surgeries, facial surgeries, lipoplasty, contouring & microdermabrasion, surgical hair removal & transplantation, and any other possible procedure to meet our needs as we express them.

They want the right to access health services quicker than anyone else
Where does it say that?
All the article linked says is that they want easier access to healthcare.
Not that they expect it quicker than everyone else?!

Manchester City Council would be better served discussing the appalling crime rates in Manchester. There have been 2 teenage boys stabbed to death just in the last few days

But doesn’t living in a democracy mean that ‘We demand ...’ by any group has to be translated into ‘The people agree ...’ or ‘The law says ...’. Freedom isn’t one group demanding rights. You have to balance everyone’s needs. The NHS has limited funds and why should free unlimited cosmetic treatments trump cancer care?

I always think it would be much easier to help trans people from a position of reality. The denial of sex and accusations of transphobia aimed at everyone who will not go along with the idea that twaw just gets people’s backs up and takes the focus away from things that could be done that would actually make a difference to trans people’s lives

Yes I absolutely agree with this too. I was just saying to my DP last night that if trans sports people like Lia Thomas were to say, okay I'm trans and I'd like to be referred to by this name and pronoun and wear feminine clothing, but I'm happy to be in the male team as my sex is male, I think people would really respect that and get on board with it.