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Britain's Equalities Watchdog Met Privately With Anti-Trans Groups

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/02/2022 12:27

Ben Hunte and Steph Place have carried out an investigation into the EHRC. Steph's Place is now demanding:

. The immediate resignation of the Chair of the EHRC, Baroness Kishwar Falkner, and the entire Board of Commissioners

• The immediate resignation of the Ministers for Equality Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch, who are directly responsible for the political appointment of the EHRC leadership

• The EHRC immediately cease all activities in relation to the Equalities Act 2010 and any associated guidance which may impact the rights of trans people in the UK

• Removal of the EHRC's 'A' status as a National Human Rights Institution (NHRI) as it is clearly unfit for purpose

• A full review of the EHRC's fitness to practice as a human rights organisation as a United Nations accredited National Human Rights Institution.

• All EHRC Board and Chair replacements should be selected based on a proven track record of defending and promoting human rights for all UK citizens and approved by the Women & Equalities Select Committee.

As far as I can tell the main findings of the investigation are that the EHRC had the temerity to meet with FPFW and LGB Alliance Shock

www.vice.com/en/article/wxdzwn/ehrc-trans-rights-leaked-emails
Also at archive.md/z5RP6

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DomesticatedZombie · 02/02/2022 19:10

@delurkasaurus

The EHRC has posted a thread:

twitter.com/EHRC/status/1488918951082045441

Good for them addressing it directly. I'm so heartened to see govt bodies stand up and speak clearly.
MarchXX · 02/02/2022 18:55

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

Steph's place would like their pear both cutted up and whole and also demand to be taken seriously
Ahh, nostalgic moment here Smile #cutteduppear
KittenKong · 02/02/2022 18:49

@TinselAngel

Lol at "Steph's Place" being described as a "trans rights organisation" rather than just the rantings of a particularly bitter individual.
Was that the person who posted on twitter about 'we will be in your changing rooms, we will be in your gyms...'?

It always reminds me of Seinfeld when the Mr Costansa called Mr Seinfeld to threaten him that they were moving into the same retirement village (purely because they didn't want them to) 'we'll be in the swimming pool, we'll be in the sauna, we'll be in the breakfast room...'

lovelyweathertoday · 02/02/2022 18:45

This was posted on Women Reclaim, with a link to the vice article.

Britain's Equalities Watchdog Met Privately With Anti-Trans Groups
Datun · 02/02/2022 18:32

Bloody hell. The exceptions are written into the law.

All the EHRC is doing is upholding the actual law!!

Still, as I've always said, the biggest advert for upholding women's rights are transactivists.

SolasAnla · 02/02/2022 18:31

So what PC had Ben highlighted and which were ignored, and the invented option

The EHRC was established in 2007 by the then Labour government to monitor human rights in England, Wales and Scotland, and to enforce equality laws based on protected characteristics,
such as
•sexuality, [< what? did you not read your own article?]
•gender reassignment,
•race and
•religion.

An EHRC spokesperson said: “We are an independent statutory body with a specific responsibility to ensure equality across the nine ‘protected’ characteristics of
• age,
• disability,
•gender reassignment,
• marriage and civil partnership,
• pregnancy and maternity,
• race,
• religion and belief,
•sex and
• sexual orientation.
Sometimes this means balancing rights, and we understand that this issue in particular evokes strong views.

When the author cant get the basics correct is there little hope for the rest of the article.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 02/02/2022 18:23

Women opposing the loss of women’s rights must be anti-trans, because:
A) the world revolves around trans people; no one could look at anything from any other point of view
and
B) women are so insignificant that no one, even women themselves, could genuinely care about their rights.

Redshoeblueshoe · 02/02/2022 18:18

How on earth did I miss cutted up pear ?Grin

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 02/02/2022 18:08

@IvyTwines

I've just seen We Are Fair Cop tweet that Ben Hunte is advising Kent Police at their LGBT conference.
I still recall (then) Aimée Challenor thanking an Assistant Chief Constable fon Twitter or the meeting at an LGBT Police event for which AC was the guest expert speaker.
NecessaryScene · 02/02/2022 18:00

Well the outgoing chair is ex Stonewall. And ALL of them, Mermaids etc, have been crowing about how they have had the ear of various regulatory bodies. But 5 minutes for someone else to have a chat and the last 5+ years disappears in a flash.

But they didn't speak to Steph. Grin

At least Ben from the BBC (ex) speaks to Steph.

This is a classic narcissistic rage trantrum.

SamphiretheStickerist · 02/02/2022 17:55

All those replies...

Which trans bodies have you spoken to in the last 18 months?

Well the outgoing chair is ex Stonewall

And ALL of them, Mermaids etc, have been crowing about how they have had the ear of various regulatory bodies.

But 5 minutes for someone else to have a chat and the last 5+ years disappears in a flash.

StartingTomorrow · 02/02/2022 17:44

What activities in relation to the Equalities Act 2010 impact on the rights of trans people, would that be the bit about exceptions due to sex? Included for good reason to protect 51% of the population. We have to keep these spaces safe for women and girls & provide services specific to their needs, I can't believe that we are having to fight for this.

delurkasaurus · 02/02/2022 17:31

The EHRC has posted a thread:

twitter.com/EHRC/status/1488918951082045441

DomesticatedZombie · 02/02/2022 17:20

'"I do not intend to "steal" a womans body, her place, her mind.
I LOVE women.
But...'

Britain's Equalities Watchdog Met Privately With Anti-Trans Groups
ScreamingMeMe · 02/02/2022 17:03

@IvyTwines

I've just seen We Are Fair Cop tweet that Ben Hunte is advising Kent Police at their LGBT conference.
Bloody hell! I take it this wasn't a joke?
allmywhat · 02/02/2022 16:55

Would it be correct to conclude from this that Hunte's career is in freefall?

Not sure what "Steph's Place" is but it seems like a long way down from the BBC.

TinselAngel · 02/02/2022 16:37

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

For the blocked, Steph's pinned tweet says

"I do not intend to "steal" a womans body, her place, her mind.
I LOVE women.
But I only have one life and I must live it as best I am able.
I am trans"

(grammar and spelling model's own)

Steph possibly likes compliant women.
Datun · 02/02/2022 16:32

Dear lord.

It's extraordinary that they can't possibly have any idea what they sound like, otherwise they wouldn't write such unhinged guff.

Do they genuinely think this is going to be influencing anyone?

highame · 02/02/2022 16:31

😂😂😂 They'll make an excellent partnership.

IvyTwines · 02/02/2022 16:24

I've just seen We Are Fair Cop tweet that Ben Hunte is advising Kent Police at their LGBT conference.

PaleGreenGhost · 02/02/2022 16:09

@Lovelyricepudding

That reminds me of a certain manifesto demanding trans people should be trained to carry out surgery so they can operate on other trans people on demand.
I always wondered if the reason for this was to replicate the kind of internal pressure exerted on members of cultures which inflict FGM? Where the person commuting the mutilation is an important cultural figure, ensuring that there are many people below them - of both sexes - with an interest in ensuring that the girl's family doesn't back out.
MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/02/2022 15:55

Steph needs a time out and a talk about how throwing massive tantrums doesn't get you what you want.

delurkasaurus · 02/02/2022 15:54

What is revealing about the toddler tantrum response to the EHRC applying their judgment of the law, is that it seems previously, Stonewall and co represented the Lord Wonderful Daddy The Marvellous figure to, and within, these taxpayer-funded organisations. Like cutted pear mum, women were tolerated so long as they were just there to do the leg work and show no dissent.

No more.

Signalbox · 02/02/2022 15:48

@Lovelyricepudding

That reminds me of a certain manifesto demanding trans people should be trained to carry out surgery so they can operate on other trans people on demand.
It does make you wonder at what point will they stop pandering to this very special group. Those nasty gatekeeping surgeons getting in the way of adult ed weekend courses on how to carry out top surgery in your kitchen.
Snugglepumpkin · 02/02/2022 15:20

Well it makes perfect sense that womens rights groups had to meet privately because the TRAs have a track record of making death threats, destroying womens livelihoods & are proven violent aggressors.
If it had been known about in advance those real women would have been at risk of real harm.
That is the reputation TRAs have given themselves through both words & actions which really should be their bigger concern than what real women do.

It's just the same as any other meeting where there is a risk of harm to the attendees & is the responsible thing for the Equalities Watchdog to do.

Not that it is any TRAs business what women do because they either deny they are women or were never women in the first place.

I don't see why the ones who say they aren't women would have any interest in what women say about womens rights relating to living as a biological woman & it's nothing to do with the ones who are biologically male.

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