Mumsnet Webchat about women/mums in politics with Stella Creasy and Caroline Nokes - 1st February

I see Caroline Nokes has kept her head down. Not a peep from her about it on Twitter. While Stella Creasy is having a mare.

I think that's why they said it. It felt very contrived, and almost immediately hostile.

That's an interesting point of view. I was surprised to see two experienced parliamentarians deploy "be kind". Clearly it's not how they handle differences of opinion in the HoC, nothing would ever get done.

Do you think they wanted to cultivate a hostile atmosphere? Why?

If she'd had enough respect to do a little research she would have known that "be kind" is like a red rag to a bull on MN

I think that's why they said it. It felt very contrived, and almost immediately hostile.

I am also wondering about why politicians agree to do MN webchats, and am suspecting it might be a form of hazing or a forfeit or part of an archaic and elaborate dare game:

'Either run round Parliament Square stark bollock naked on a Friday afternoon, or do a Mumsnet webchat'

I bet

I think we should do a variation of this an ponder what would happen if a politician offered a sincere apology and said 'fucking hell i really did misjudge this one didn't I? I was in the wrong', rather than the typical double down and non apology, sorry I was caught apology.

Someone needs to tell Stella she's had enough internet for the day, her Twitter is, to use an Americanism, a dumpster fire. She just keeps digging, despite tweeting outrageously offensive nonsense she somehow feels she's the victim.

Creasy attended Magdalene College, Cambridge where she read Social and Political Sciences before pursuing postgraduate studies at the London School of Economics.

Money clearly well spent.

It is making me feel embarrassed for her. So cringey all of it.

[quote FOJN]I've just seen this little jem! Stella was attacked (I'm calling full hose) on MN for talking about having a baby (face palm) and MN have "work to do". I don't think she could enrage me more.

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FML. She's full-time ridiculous

I don't think she understands that using her baby, sleep deprivation and the challenges of being a working mum was patronising. It was as if she believed any MN stereotypes she may have heard and thought that was the best way to get us on side.

If she'd had enough respect to do a little research she would have known that "be kind" is like a red rag to a bull on MN, most feminists can quickly work out why even of they haven't given it much thought before and she would have known that expertise of posters here includes many subjects besides parenting.

Those few minutes research might have spared her a humiliating shock.

[quote FOJN]I've just seen this little jem! Stella was attacked (I'm calling full hose) on MN for talking about having a baby (face palm) and MN have "work to do". I don't think she could enrage me more.

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"HELLOOOOO! I'VE HAD A BABY YOU KNOW!"

Having a baby doesn't exempt you from criticism when you act like a dick by turning up to patronise hundreds of women ('mums' 🤗 ) who are 100 times more informed than you are.

[quote FOJN]I've just seen this little jem! Stella was attacked (I'm calling full hose) on MN for talking about having a baby (face palm) and MN have "work to do". I don't think she could enrage me more.

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Oh god she is ridiculous.

thanks zombie I don't know why I couldn't get it to work.

I've just seen this little jem! Stella was attacked (I'm calling full hose) on MN for talking about having a baby (face palm) and MN have "work to do". I don't think she could enrage me more.

mobile.twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1488802639143911429

unherd.com/thepost/debate-where-does-feminism-go-next/

Looks good, thanks!

Yes the web chat was Creasy's version of moving deckchairs around on the titanic. As pp said, the house is burning.

The problem is when you see how disingenuous they are about a topic you've read about, researched and formed a view which you know is reasonable it makes you doubt everything else they say. The trust is gone.

So Wayne Couzens actually murdered a woman, someone he stopped on the street because he was able to tell, at night and from a distance, that she was a woman.

But what we should be focusing on is pondering is if he assaulted a transwoman, whether or not that would be misogyny?

This is what I think too, it's like debating how many angels can dance in the head of a pin while actual women are being actually murdered.

So Wayne Couzens actually murdered a woman, someone he stopped on the street because he was able to tell, at night and from a distance, that she was a woman.

But what we should be focusing on is pondering is if he assaulted a transwoman, whether or not that would be misogyny?

Also, if Stella was referring to the drag queen that he allegedly attacked, someone needs to tell her that a) drag queens are not transwonen and b) that a man doesn't attack a drag queen because of 'misogyny'.

Honestly, I give up with these people. Stella's latest crap now goes on the ever growing list of stupid things Labour politicians have said in defence of trabs ideology.

Thanks for that I shall watch it now.

or even Hear a good debate

if you want to here a good debate Where does Feminism go Next, with Julie Bindel, Mary Harrington and Hadley Freeman, is on Unherd.com.

I would give a link but it doesn't seem to be working.

Excellent discussion, mentioning MN, Stella Creasey and a lot more. And only released today, so very topical.

I would never support her Misogyny bill because she has no bloody clue what a woman is. I am definitely with Joan Smith on this one now. Stella would end up with a bill that TRAs would use to persecute women

If I recall Stella ran workshops with stonewall to develop what this bill should cover. So yes I can't it being particularly useful to women.