Mumsnet Webchat about women/mums in politics with Stella Creasy and Caroline Nokes - 1st February

I'm assuming there will be someone from the MPs offices keeping an eye on this thread

I feel totally disrespected by those two MPs.

Would Stella Creasy have turned up to a web chat with a bunch of bankers with her baby on her lap?

I believe she would have organised child care so she could give the people she was speaking to her full attention.

She underestimated us. She believed the crap you read online about how MN is full of ditzy ladies talking about ephemera. There is that on here, and I'm rather partial to a bit of that myself, but that is not what this board is.

Caroline Noakes was no better. She came with a slogan and not her brain. She did not answer any of our points, she batted the away and told us to behave nicely.

If either of those women want the votes of other women they had better start treating us with the same respect as they would give to an anonymous selection of men.

You never know who's on here, but it is clear that there are some people who really know what they are talking about. A smart politician would have done her homework and come with an enquiring mind rather than having the audacity to tell us what the accepted topics of conversation were.

I'd really like them to come back. Doesn't need to be official, there's no real way to spin that for a political win - come and lurk, Caroline and Stella. Sign up and read and learn. I've got interesting and important things to tell you which will get you more votes than the Stonewall script will. And, I'm far from alone.

To quote the greatest political mind I have ever known:
"Come the fuck in or fuck the fuck off."

I wonder if CN or her aides have gone to the trouble of retrospectively coming here and reading threads like this, resulting in her wisely shutting up and keeping her head down.
Hopefully she’s learned something.

That's why I think #beeeekind was contrived.

Maria McLachlan being reprimanded for failing to use the correct pronouns for her (male) assailant springs to mind. Wolf's sentence was reduced on that basis, iirc, which to me suggests misgendering there has been directly equated with actual physical violence.

Brown being fed the questions by aides and them neglecting to pass on the biscuit question (apparently regarding it as trivial), so he didn't know he was being asked

I assumed that Stella and Caroline also had aides check the questions ahead of the chat to make sure they were sufficiently prepped. Which makes their performance so mind boggling. They didnt read the room, sought to lecture and patronise rather than listen and crucially had no clue about the people who post here and how to engage with us.

This whole debacle has at least caused Glosswitch to write another Mumsnet article thecritic.co.uk/much-ado-about-mothers/

Yeah, Noakes’s ‘fault on both sides’ thing nearly made me snap my pencil in half

The behavior of feminists seeking to ensure women’s opinions are taken into account is in no way comparable to the behaviour of some of the high profile trans activists (bus stop flashing (Jess Bradley), hounding women from political office (Lily Madigan), advocating for violent pornography (Jane Fae), violence against women (Kellie Maloney))

Difficult to credit now, but it was big enough to make the news at the time. The explanation was something to do with Brown being fed the questions by aides and them neglecting to pass on the biscuit question (apparently regarding it as trivial), so he didn't know he was being asked.

The whole 'both sides as bad as each other' is just such crap and is clearly the new anti woman tactic now that people are waking up to this whole thing. One side are asking questions, the other are doing stuff like this www.terfisaslur.com

Hm. s women's views become more and more reported in the press and more and more people realise what's happening I daresay a huge dose of both sides-ism and 'be kind' and tone policing is about to be another layer of defence.

'No debate' is over, but we can still be criticised on the grounds of not being nice enough. This will work. Ingrained sexism is keen to condemn women who aren't playing the correctly submissive and smiling passive role.

It very easily slides into 'shrill screeching feminazi' accusations, and all the insults are sitting there ready made and delighted to be recycled.

Ah, was this maybe an exercise to demonstrate how terrible and nasty and vile women are? Or, women who aren't the naice kind and compliant types?

retweet anyone who's rude to her, tweets very much in the minority, while ignoring all the hundreds of polite questions asked in good faith

While I agree nobody should be rude, it's no use trying to throw a few rude tweets up like a kind of smokescreen/distraction to protect you from the terrifying polite questions.

Yes, that's the lines I was thinking along, Pear.

" Biscuitgate" ? Sounds interesting. What Mumsnet scandal was that?

This is worse than Biscuitgate, isn't it?

So Stella - a rite of passage for me was being allowed to go to the loo on my own. Before lockdown in 2020, my female granddaughter (13] wanted to do this - and we tagged teamed as a family in case there was a man(no matter how he identified) in the loo. Are you honestly telling us you wouldn't do the same for your wriggly baby? Or is your female child going to be immune to this threat? Once the safeguarding door is open we are all at risk.

God Im so sick of women being told to be kind. I am being kind, to women. Not males who want to colonise womanhood.

The baby on the lap was so cynical. Did she think MN would coo at the baby and nod in womder at her feat of combining motherhood and public office?

While Stella Creasy is having a mare.

Of her own making. The more she posts the less respect I have for her.