Mumsnet Webchat about women/mums in politics with Stella Creasy and Caroline Nokes - 1st February

It's lazy journalism and even lazier politics too, isn't it?

I have literally no opinion on trans rights. AFAICS they have equal rights, they are less likely to be assaulted, they have plenty of government funding and support in workplaces. Waiting lists are a scandal, 3 year waits (and the rest) are causing real harm - but the issue there is the lack of staff in gender clinics and that most probably relates to the questionable practices within, as established by assorted court cases.

I am not interested in trans issues because they don't look that pressing to me.

Unlike the fact that there are 3 dead women a week most weeks. And I don't even know the names of the women who have been killed by men this week because the press hasn't commented on them. Presumably the inevitable dead women weren't pretty enough to be worth reporting on.

That interests me. That even in death we are objectified.

I don't want to debate anything either. I want my rights and I want women to be safe, with dignity and privacy. Can't understand why anyone would disagree.

It's so funny,
TRAs= MN is full of radicalised women!

Women= MN is full of women

Who knows women best, men or women... surely WOMEN!

The "anti-trans" is a deliberate smokescreen to try to stop people looking too closely at what's actually going on. Add on the cries of bigot etc. It's part of their "no debate" ploy.

Hope you are ok, Justine. I'm sure this is a total headache.

Still trending. Being kept off the number one spot by Boris.

Mimmybirthingfury still ranting about how awful we are.

Is'nt it funny that the questions raised were about women and women's rights, but twitter and the reporting is about "anti-trans"?

I'm not aware of "anti-trans" on here. Am I missing the terrible hate, or is talking about women and women's rights inherently anti-trans nowadays?

Yes - seems Justine is getting some flack on Twatter

twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1488502968131506180

I don't think the question What is a woman ? is difficult, unless you are a politician

Yes, and asking difficult questions

Get back in your box, women.

Just catching up.

In summary: women being told off for being unkind and debating wrong, getting het up about nothing.

It leaves me absolutely baffled as to what the barriers could be to women entering politics...

@Waitwhat23 Very good summary. Thankyou.

Wims, we've made it to newsthump. (With a sneery lads-know-best fart of an article, but still).

That article is a bit dumb as they are trying to take the piss out of both sides, but failing, apart from implying that women's sport shouldn't really be a priority for anyone at all, while acknowledging how stupid it would be to have men competing as women.

Justine has tweeted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Justine_Roberts/status/1488578848350474242

"1/ Today Mumsnet had 28k+ posts on everything from Boris Johnson, ethical clothing, mental health, feeling invisible in your 40s, govn childcare top up scheme etc. Fewer than 1k were on sex and gender topic. MN has helped around 6000 women out of DV situation in last 3 yrs...
2/ Calling Mumsnet “radicalised” (and the torrent of misogyny it seems to have sparked on Twitter) is not particularly feminist..."

Actually it was more like a web chat with pro climate change scientists who simultaneously don't believe the earth exists.

Now that's a good analogy!

don't think all participants wanted one issue to dominate. Honestly, from the outside, it looked more like a bunch of climate deniers who go to a climate change talk and won't stop shouting and heckling and interrupting until everyone else leaves out of annoyance and then they sit around and count who's left and claim that they're a majority.

GC feminist participants were in the majority on the thread the whole way through, so no.

count who's left and claim that they're a majority

I thought only those numpties who never read the fine print in the published survey results believed that those supporting males to get access to female single sex spaces were the ‘majority’.

Yet again we see another trans rights activist tactic.

No one reading the Yougov surveys could believe that the majority believe that males can be women when women’s sex based rights are concerned.

But please do crack on trying to minimise the number of people deeply concerned about the rights of women and children. And the number of women wanting to find political candidates that can define that word - woman.

Shouting heckling

We was asking reasonable questions.

About womens rights

The reason this all attracts so much attention is because society is basically terrified of the idea of women getting together and discussing stuff that's not nappies and buggies. Their tiny minds simply cannot comprehend women having opinions on our own rights, when what we should be doing is focusing on 'being kind' and discussing the ways in which we can be 'allies' and support humans to those who are clearly more important than us.

The discussions that go on here are articulate, well reasoned and basically incredible difficult to argue. That is very scary to the people who never wanted women to wake up to their own erasure. And now they are basically screaming 'just shut the fuuuuuuuck uuuuuuup' because nothing else works. It's the same for JK Rowling, part of the reason that she attracts so much attention is that people that just cannot comprehend that a woman, even a female billionaire author, would have opinions that don't centre someone else and that she won't back down despite intimidation. People just don't get it!

Think of all the other forums that spout utter shite about everything, including transphobia. No one gives a shit about them. But Mumsnet.........

Gender ideologists (the ones who don't believe in scientific facts, such as 'humans are a dimorphic species') have championed -

• No debate
• No platforming
• Repetitive mantras, chanted in the face of all evidence and reason - TWAW, 'the most oppressed group, ever', 'TRANSPHOBE!', 'biological essentialists', 'you just want trans people to not exist'.
• Activists shouting racist and misogynistic abuse at women attending peaceful meetings and banging on doors and windows in an attempt to intimidate those attending.
• Masked students setting off smoke bombs on campus to force academics out of employment
• Protesters screaming 'witch' into women peacefully protesting.

Essentially, the chilling effect.

But women asking for a question to be answered which will inform a conversation about women being encouraged into politics - beyond the pale.

It's ridiculous.

Imagine trying to discuss climate change without factually defining the words “climate” or “change”

Men are not women and do not need to be included in a conversation about how to get more women into politics

Depressingly predictable from the visitors. I loved all the wise, informed, passionate MNers though. Thank you for being here - you bloody brilliant women! 🥰💐

That was very eye opening.

If you want to widen participation for women in parliament then you need to acknowledge the barriers that women face, which in no are in no way shape or form the same barriers which trans women face.

What gets me most about politics is sometimes the reasons why certain things are happening are blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain cell.

Whats missing is the political will to do anything about it.

@Eve

you are all trending on twitter!!

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1482014333739712515?s=20&t=M9ffuvxB1QDzzevUaZD1XA

(you may need to ise incognito mode to see her tweet as she uses block lists to spout her slanderous guff)