"Top surgery" for 12 year olds.

If you say that it’s going to ‘save the life’ of your client then you will go ahead - it’s often lucrative isn’t it?

I can’t get my head around any medical professional removing healthy organs. I don’t understand how they can bring themselves to do it. What happened to “first do no harm?”

The removal of a perfectly healthy organ requires even higher levels of consent-checking presumably?

I understand that F continues to be aggrieved about this “cis-normative” way of recording accurately that the person who gives birth is the mother.

The aforementioned documentary is a painful exercise in trying to make everyone you ever come across dance to your tune - even when you change your mind and realise that, despite having your breasts cut off and despite starting to take testosterone, you actually quite fancy getting pregnant.

That’s terrifying. I feel sickened after reading this

Reminds me of a quote I very recently heard.

They normalise pathology so they can pathologist normalcy.

Let's not forget that O'Connell made a documentary about O'Connell which apparently (I haven't watched it) shows O'Connell receiving a GRC and then within days heading for a fertility clinic to start the process of becoming pregnant. This is not my idea of living as a man, and I very much doubt it's what Parliament thought might happen when they passed the GRA in 2004.

Then, of course, we had the protracted saga of O'Connell's attempts to get the law changed so that O'Connell would be shown on the birth certificate as father, not mother.

Mememememememememememe.

I would also imagine that O'Connell's consultant thought - not unreasonably - that someone who wanted to remove their breasts because they were a distressing reminder of their biological sex would not then want to become a mother as that is basically the pinnacle of womanhood.

Me too.

And since we're constantly told that formula is "just as good" (once again denying biological reality), then the transmen can use that.

The book was for teens.

So basically, trans is normalised for young women.

Bf isn't.

Easy to see that the overwhelming narrative is anti female.

Also, Emma Picket a breastfeeding consultant wrote a great book about breasts. Except it included a part about how some women choose to remove them. So that ok.

nothing about cancer and mastectomies as she didn't want to scare kids. She wanted them to embrace the normality of breasts. by knowing they can be removed.

One key issue is that breastfeeding isn't mentioned on the National curriculum. It's not something that's talked about.

So few grow up knowing about it. It's been de normalised in our society.

These fuckers need locked up. So much about this whole movement enrages me. The me me meness of it, the thought policing, the outright aggression. But the brutalising of children, sacrificing them to the altar of trans fabulousness

The ease with which it has all happened is frightening. It's like something out of a conspiracy theory nuts brain. Where everyone necessary has been strategically placed and has waited fir their signal to make the move.

These fuckers need locked up. So much about this whole movement enrages me. The me me meness of it, the thought policing, the outright aggression. But the brutalising of children, sacrificing them to the altar of trans fabulousness. I think there should be a word to describe the anger this causes. Rage doesn't come close to describing it.

Yet a promoter of said ideology hasn’t worked out that if you remove your breasts, you can’t make breast milk

I guess the plan was to chestfeed rather than breastfeed.

I'd rather have ripped my leftover breast milk down the sink than given it to someone who had their perfectly functioning breasts removed and then complained they couldn't breastfeed.

While consent should definitely cover a number of eventualities, I’m not sure that should include explaining to someone that if they choose to remove their lactating organs then those organs will no longer be there.

FannyCann

Yes I can conceive of both of those possibilities, fair enough.

But if you hypothetically put the mind of 35 year old Freddy, into the body of 28 year old Freddy in 2014, with Freddy’s conceived idea of parenthood there instead of absent, with “well informed” doctors, not an “old school” gender clinician/surgeon believing that ”living as a man” means not doing the most woman thing possible, and everything in black and white on a consent form, it seems Freddy would still ask, just before signing, “But I can still chest feed with my own milk, right?”

At which point, in my hypothetical scenario, I imagine the surgeon slowly retracting the pen and paper from Freddy’s reach and starting again, with a Father Ted and Dougal small cow/far away cow type explanation.

Reliance on other women to change their language, to relinquish single sex spaces and sports, to provide validation, to provide breast milk, to provide surrogacy etc.

Yep. Noted.

Yes so for transwomen, women are required to give up their single sex spaces, their sports, their awards, their language, to fawn and cheer on.

For trans men, women are required to donate their breast milk, provide bodies for surrogacy, change their language, to fawn and cheer on.

What exactly are men required to do in all this? Because from where I'm standing it looks like fuck all.

but still seemingly has NO FUCKING CLUE that once the breasts were removed that there was never going to be any milk!

Ironic really, we’re told that the science of sex/gender is sooo much more complicated than taught in high school.

Yet a promoter of said ideology hasn’t worked out that if you remove your breasts, you can’t make breast milk

Great post @NotBadConsidering

I can believe the future inability to breastfeed wasn't explained. Possibly the surgeon treating Freddy might have assumed that Freddy wanted to live as a man and therefore babies and breastfeeding wouldn't be a future desire. I know they should go through it all but it's conceivable that they made assumptions or didn't want to be accused of being cis normative and triggering dysphoria or patronisingly treating Freddy like a woman!

Also whilst I have no idea where Freddy has the procedure I do know that one of the private surgeons who performs these procedures had a run in with the GMC over shoddy consent (lack of) process. He wasn't struck off, I think it must have been a warning and of course I've no idea what type of procedures were concerned but it's a possibility.

@NotBadConsidering Excellent post.