Police interview Nicola Murray

If Nicola made up the story then surely the police response would be 'no police office has visited her' and it would be all over twitter how T* have made up stories about police visits. If they visited her out of concern for her safety or as a community bridge building exercise (over an hour away) then they surely would have said that. The only thing we can currently assume is police did visit her to discuss this.

I suppose there is another option that there is an investigation but she is a witness not a suspect? They might not want to reveal that?

Just so I'm clear, do people suspect that political influence secured the visit to Nicola M's home in the absence of an official complaint or investigation?

I think the implication is that Nicola Murray made up the story. That seems unlikely to me, but who knows? Perhaps two police officers visited her off their own bat. Perhaps two trans activists posed as police officers and visited her.

If two police officers off their own bat used their police status to speak to someone without any policing reason then they should be sacked.

No complaint. No investigation. Just officers taking it upon themselves to knock on women's doors to check their thinking?

There would have to be some official support for this just to get sign off for the mileage and subsistence claims. I'd also assume that the Police who did this were paid.

Just so I'm clear, do people suspect that political influence secured the visit to Nicola M's home in the absence of an official complaint or investigation?

Or are people suggesting that there was no such visit or conversation which is an inference some would draw from the unhelpfully worded Errors and Omissions?

No complaint, no investigation.

Is there any other legitimate reason for a police officer to visit someone in their own home to ask questions?

Two Times articles are zapped into oblivion and the “errors and omissions” says there was no Police Scotland investigation.

It's not just the Times. There was also an article in the Daily Mail which has also disappeared now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10459203/Police-quiz-domestic-abuse-charity-boss-thought-crimes-cutting-ties-rape-centre.html

But does that mean “nothing happened”? I think police officers did go to Nicola Murray’s house, and I think they probably said what she said they said.

Is this like a case of the just a quiet word style of safeguarding measures advocated by some posters? You know, nothing official, not following set protocols, nothing to see.

Surely those who believe in ‘quiet word’ style safeguarding would be all for this type of police action too.

I'm baffled as to why, if nothing happened

Yes. Two Times articles are zapped into oblivion and the “errors and omissions” says there was no Police Scotland investigation.

But does that mean “nothing happened”? I think police officers did go to Nicola Murray’s house, and I think they probably said what she said they said.

But the “errors and omissions” piece does not address the points in the article that was withdrawn. It doesn’t say that no police officers went to Nicola Murray’s house.

That’s the story. If the whole thing is not true - no police officers visited Nicola - then why doesn’t the Times correction say that?

If police officers are going round to peoples houses and “checking their thinking” when there hasn’t been a complaint and there isn’t an investigation then that’s a bigger story. Huge.

Yes Midsomers. That would indeed be huge!

I'm baffled as to why, if nothing happened, Assistant Chief Constable Gary Ritchie felt fit to be quoted as saying - "Hate crime and discrimination of any kind is deplorable and entirely unacceptable. Police Scotland will investigate every report of a hate crime or hate incident." (for which he's received a fair bit of criticism as it shows his woeful understanding of the Equality Act).

Why didn't he just say 'this didn't happen' if it didn't?

Who knows, but it certainly seems like the claims any police action was instigated by Mridul Wadhwa were a complete fabrication.

And if it turns out it is a complete fabrication, then I will retract saying MW reported it. I read MW’s tweet while it was active and Nicola Williams’ tweet and I don’t recall seeing MW state that they didn’t report it. I might have missed it as I have been busy. So, please link the tweet where MW denied they reported it. I am sure that would be the very first thing they would do, they are very quick to tweet other things.

If it was not them, then I will most certainly retract.

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'Mid Scotland the Fife MSP Murdo Fraser hadhoped to see the issue raised in the Scottish Parliamentand brought forward a topical question for Tuesday.

However, it was not selected for the discussion by the Presiding Officer.

But Mr Fraser has said is considering how else to take it forward and said on Monday: "Sorry that the question wasn't selected for tomorrow. I will consider how else I can pursue the issue"

He tried but apparently that question 'wasn't picked'. I'll try to find the link

So did Murdo Fraser raise this as a Topical Question at Holyrood on Tuesday (as that Daily Express article said he said he was going to?)
Have tried to find info on the Scottish Parliament website but haven’t got anything more informative than “3. Topical Questions: Questions were answered by a Minister.”

If police officers are going round to peoples houses and “checking their thinking” when there hasn’t been a complaint and there isn’t an investigation then that’s a bigger story.

Exactly.

No complaint. No investigation. Just officers taking it upon themselves to knock on women's doors to check their thinking?

This story is bizarre. I hope there will be clarification regarding what happened. Someone is being economical with the truth here. It’s very odd that all the reports have been removed. Nicola Murray has locked down her Twitter account, but hasn’t retracted the statement that the police visited.

This article still mentions the visit.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/msps-discuss-police-scotlands-investigation-26093487

@barleybadminton I very much doubt The Times would have erased all references to this story and issued a correction if they had doubts the police were telling the truth

But the “errors and omissions” piece does not address the points in the article that was withdrawn. It doesn’t say that no police officers went to Nicola Murray’s house.

That’s the story. If the whole thing is not true - no police officers visited Nicola - then why doesn’t the Times correction say that?

If police officers are going round to peoples houses and “checking their thinking” when there hasn’t been a complaint and there isn’t an investigation then that’s a bigger story. Huge.

The police have now confirmed she was not the subject of a complaint or investigation."

So why go round her house then?

mobile.twitter.com/thatveganlass/status/1485152065781391361?s=20

There is a contemporaneous thread of people discussing Wadwha’s admission.

It makes some sense of the police statement and their attitude. MW does this regularly, there are never any charges. Why even open an investigation?

Screenshot of Wadhwa confirming they make a regular habit of running to the police about “hate.”

The Google cache of their deleted tweet is archived at archive dot is forwardslash hN5zy

Felt it might be important to preserve the evidence given the insinuations some are making.

I won’t spare any sympathy for a person who lied by omission to get a job specifically meant for an adult human female. No thank you

But it's clearly not true that any action taken (if action was taken) was down to a complaint from Mridul Wadwa who has had to leave twitter after receiving relentless abuse from those who claimed it was.

So nobody went to anyone's house?

I'll not commit to believing that, just yet.