Page 3 | Suzanne Moore on fire

WarriorN · 2022-01-27T15:22:28+00:00

https://thecritic.co.uk/pennys-pointless-battle/ Oooh she's good!

HermioneWeasley · 27/01/2022 19:45

Sarah Ditum’s review in the times today is also wonderful

heathspeedwell · 27/01/2022 19:39

Absolutely brilliant piece of writing. Here's a taster: "Penny plays as ever to their American audience; Bindel doesn’t play this game at all. She doesn’t have the time; she has actual feminism to do."

PaleGreenGhost · 27/01/2022 19:22

@irishfeminist

Brilliant. LP is a proper nasty piece of work on Twitter so I wouldn't bother feeling sorry for her.

This! She veers dangerously close to a pro paedo position when she refuses to acknowledge a girl's right not to change in front of a naked semi aroused male.

I think Moore is extremely gracious and sympathetic in this article.

turbonerd · 27/01/2022 19:19

I clicked on Penny’s text. What self absorbed utter drivel. 🙄
Moore’s text was pure fun. A bit of pisstaking is to be expected, especially with pronouns which make speaking/writing so … weird 😄

turbonerd · 27/01/2022 19:12

What IS genderqueer?
What is queer?

I have asked my LGB family and they had no idea.

Clymene · 27/01/2022 19:02

If you're bisexual but married to a man as Penny is, then as far as the world is concerned, right now she's enjoying all the privilege of a bog standard heterosexual woman. Life's easier when you can identify in and out of oppression at will (and I say this as a bisexual woman).

Apart from anything else, Penny is one of the most irritating people on the planet. And if you think Moore's writing is insufferable, you should try reading penny's.

MsGoodenough · 27/01/2022 18:58

Great article. Thanks for sharing!

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 27/01/2022 18:58

Laurie's advice to any mother with her young daughter, faced with a bloke with a semi on in a single sex nude spa area was to tell the daughter not to stare cause it's rude.

I couldn't care for whatever she writes or whatever she wants to call herself, if your position is tell women they shouldn't be rude to a potential sex offender you can get in the bin.

On the case in point, turned out it WAS a sex offender, yeah, great advice from Laurie there!

Artichokeleaves · 27/01/2022 18:35

Shrewd and dry, and very much to the point. Well done Suzanne.

SwissBall · 27/01/2022 18:32

I enjoyed that

I don’t understand why anyone else has to care if you’re non-binary.

dolorsit · 27/01/2022 18:30

BTW on the misgendering issue.

A number of quotes of reviews used feminine pronouns, as did LP's Amazon author page. LP's wiki page noted the change of usage in the last year or so to they/them but that she/her was acceptable but LP felt she/her to be less accurate.

irishfeminist · 27/01/2022 18:26

Brilliant. LP is a proper nasty piece of work on Twitter so I wouldn't bother feeling sorry for her.

dolorsit · 27/01/2022 18:24

[quote BobMortimersTrout]@ScreamingMeMe because it targets an individual pretty damn relentlessly. I'm no fan of Laurie Penny and I like Suzanne Moore, and thanks to mumsnet and becoming a mother I'm now GC, but this article seems more like a character assassination than a critique of the principles[/quote]
I have to admit I was expecting something more vitriolic but it's actually quite mild for Moore.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/01/2022 18:20

Quite Justaftb - you reap what you sew

They has happily put the boot into women who don’t agree with them over the years

Perhaps if they had been kinder then I’d have more sympathy but they weren’t so I don’t

Scraggythang · 27/01/2022 18:17

Yeah. I liked it. I like mostly everything thing she writes. But then I’m a self-identified sanctimonious witch.

justaftb · 27/01/2022 18:14

A lot of "be kind" in some of the previous posts. Laurie Penny is happily selling women down the river to further her own career. The movement she is part of has hounded women out of their jobs and seen them go through gruelling legal battles. Who cares if people poke fun at her?

Delphinium20 · 27/01/2022 17:42

I adore Suzanne Moore and only found her because of MN. What I'd give for a U.S. feminist of her caliber and humor! I subscribe to Moore's sub stack - always a joy to read her!!!

"What did you do in the great pronoun war?" my grandchildren will ask me. "I largely could not be arsed."

unwashedanddazed · 27/01/2022 17:21

She's so funny. Disappointing pussy! I've got one of those too!

Doomscrolling · 27/01/2022 17:20

Given that LP called me a clueless white feminist on Twitter this week, I rather enjoyed Suzanne Moore’s article. Certainly provided a laugh.

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WarriorN · 27/01/2022 16:56

Worth remembering that it's this brand of feminism that got Suzanne hounded out of the guardian.

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Lordamighty · 27/01/2022 16:45

@TheExtraGuineaPig

I really enjoyed that.

My son (year 7) says there are at least 12 they/them pronoun'd non binary females in his year - of around 65 girls. My daughter (year 9) is dabbling in it herself (themself?). I can only imagine it will peter out for most as it becomes more and more tiresome and they realise it makes no difference to their actual lives, except to send their teachers round the twist as they try to remember how to refer to everyone.

Multiple personalities are the latest fad, brace yourself.

TheExtraGuineaPig · 27/01/2022 16:34

I really enjoyed that.

My son (year 7) says there are at least 12 they/them pronoun'd non binary females in his year - of around 65 girls. My daughter (year 9) is dabbling in it herself (themself?). I can only imagine it will peter out for most as it becomes more and more tiresome and they realise it makes no difference to their actual lives, except to send their teachers round the twist as they try to remember how to refer to everyone.

SunnyDelite · 27/01/2022 16:25

"Sneering and aggressive"- the description of any TRA article about female non-believers ever.....

crazyjinglist · 27/01/2022 16:25

I'm no fan of LP and agree with Suzanne Moore's points, but good lord her writing style is irritating. She sounds so arch and snarkily pleased with herself!

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WarriorN · 27/01/2022 16:25

Apparently the publisher made the fuss about pronouns not Penny, though there's been back up on twitter about pronoun priority.

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