Giggle- CEO speaks common sense.......

I'd forgotten but I supported Sall a year or two ago, via Lift Women. Went back to check how she's doing and it's remarkable!

www.liftwomen.com/projects/giggle-the-female-app/

I think sal is absolutely great, and very brave. Someone close to me gave me shit for liking something of sal’s on Twitter, their comments were sweary about fucking transphobic shit and then they got pissed off it was an instant block from Sal - I was really upset they were so blinkered that they didn’t agree with anything being just for women and thought that Sal should just put up with people swearing at her or she was obviously not willing to ‘listen’. Usually I respect them but this was just an insane thought process.

It’s not Sal Grover’s problem that AI correctly sexes people. And that women are entitled to women-only spaces. If the AI excludes men from women-only spaces the technology is doing the job it’s supposed to do the majority of time that men want it to - like using Twitter to abuse women.

Loved this. Thank god

I love this quote:

'The only reason anyone is struggling to answer “what is a woman?” is because men are claiming to be women.

I don’t understand what is so confusing to them about this: AI distinguishes between the sexes, so its exclusion of trans women from Giggle is the result of it doing just that. The Giggle CEO has stated that the majority of people complaining about the alleged exclusion of women of colour are white males - could it possibly be that one sub-group of white men are frustrated by the fact all AI programmes are far & away the best at identifying them of all the sex/ethnicity options? A white man at the bottom of a well could be dressed as a ninja black cat in heavy mourning & AI would still correctly identify his sex. How exactly do we think Giggle are expected to “fix” this? I’m sure they want so-called cis-men excluded, but…

It is good to see Sali Grover sticking so firmly to what she decided after “educating” herself. (They’ve STILL not figured out isn’t not a good idea to demand that of intelligent women, have they?)

• yes, that’s a literal TED Talk; thankfully things have improved significantly since then

Great stuff.

Give no shits about males demanding access to something specifically not for them.

Plenty of other apps available, yet they purposely target one that is unashamedly female only, and they cannot fucking tolerate being told NO.

It's never about 'inclusion', it's intrusion, invasion, colonisation, and validation.

Aaargh, I've got the rage with this shit tonight. It's fabulous to see someone standing up to it all.

I'm a massive fan of Sal on Twitter. She's been getting abuse for a while now. I do wonder why they're trying to make this a story now. It's not new or news. But it's always good to let more people see what the TRA movement is like.

Has anyone here used the app properly? I love Sal on twitter and am supportive of the idea of the app. I'm just not massively a social media person, despite being a millennial. So although I downloaded a while ago, I've still not actually worked it out.

so the facial recognition works then, cant fool A.I either, they better start sending rape threats to skynet.

Sall on The Mess We're In a few months ago

The article on PinkNews refers to females as "females" with a deliberate use of quotation marks.

They know what they're doing, and it makes it seem like female isn't actually a real thing now.

I love how she said that she's seen no evidence that suggests transwomen are female. Well ain't that just true?

It shouldn't be brave to day these things, but it is.

I admire Sali so much. Not surprised but disappointed to see pink news targeting her when she's pregnant. This will inevitably lead to more abuse directed at her.

Good strong, clear statements.

I'm still not keen on 'giggle' though. Perhaps she could develop a site for older members of the sisterhood - Cackle, maybe?

Also part of Janice Turners column in the Times today

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meat-loaf-debate-didnt-lead-to-a-spat-out-of-hell-hd878gf2d?shareToken=ecc6ad3f8e9aa98af9c3629356a8d821

Downloaded app immediately after reading this.

That was my point, Boots - framing what they're asking her about as an "error" that needs "to be fixed" means they've got their story dismissing her as a 'transphobe' however she replies. It's a stitch up by a not-very-enquiring mind.

They can accuse her even if she gives in and changes the app because they've 'exposed' her, and especially if she doesn't of course. It's an odious way to operate and nothing I'd call journalism.

If it’s happening in Australia it will happen here. Bravery inspires bravery. This is just common sense. Who knows what this year will bring.

The important thing here is that she has published the contact from PinkNews, it is this lobbying from journalists that is the cause of many problems (not just trans rights), she's basically called them out.

It's basically asking for a response, because then they can generate a story out of the response.

I particularly hate the line journalists use "people say/people report". Have they? Does they actually exist? Or is it just the journalist and their own opinions?

Then chucking flowers at it and saying brava.

BRAVA