Giggle- CEO speaks common sense.......

It was an issue with the light! I am not one of the one in 500

What I imagine happens is that all men and some women get flagged, and then they get reviewed. And I am super okay with that.

Acording to giggle the false negative rate is 1/500 women and the false positive rate for men is negligable.

I don’t disagree with excluding males, I was just interested to ask.

Although it is sad that we've having to prove our womanhood because of fucking men

What I imagine happens is that all men and some women get flagged, and then they get reviewed. And I am super okay with that.
It does not threaten me one jot.

Right - it's women only. I'm white, btw, and I'm happy to be vetted if it keeps a safe space for women.
If you manage to pass the AI (which clearly isn't perfect, exhibit A), you're still a man invading a safe space for women

Does it still weed out males with FFS?

An important point is that the face recognition it's just an automation - it's not the rule. You're not "permitted if you pass".

The rule is no males. If any male did slip through the automation (or manual review), he's out if he's discovered. So there's absolutely no way a male can cause trouble, except by quietly spying. It may not be 100% secure, but the rules keep it a viable female space.

Does it still weed out males with FFS?

GCers are accused of racism and being white feminists all the time and yet TRAs are actually racist and really vile about black women and it is never called out (except on here).

you get referred to manual review - often by Sal herself. She mentioned in an interview (I think it was with Glinner) that she's never received so many dick pics.

That's a very sophisticated AI, to know they are all men. Lots of politicians and heads of charities are unable to tell whether someone is a man or a woman just from a dick pick.

Signed up ! Thanks for the heads up

Just to be clear, I am a woman, in the original sense of the word, I have the XX chromosomes, I make the large gametes, I am fucking furious about what is happening to our rights

Oh for fucks sake - men denied entry to something decide to show their dick

Interested to see what the process is now - am not remotely offended about being "misgendered", but wonder how they verify?

Wouldn't know how you trigger it, but you get referred to manual review - often by Sal herself. She mentioned in an interview (I think it was with Glinner) that she's never received so many dick pics.

I downloaded the app in support, and it can't verify me - I do have a pretty strong jaw!
Interested to see what the process is now - am not remotely offended about being "misgendered", but wonder how they verify?

The thing is, originally transwomen were permitted via manual intervention. It was the stink they started causing that convinced Sal that actually letting them in was causing more of a problem

Unfortunately this strategy does work. Many companies don't hold their nerve examine the issues and listen to customers like Giggle has.

If anyone has a spare minute you can download the app to add some positive reviews or just mark the toxic reviews as unhelpful. Giggle's success will encourage other companies to provide women only services.

As I understand it there are lots of TW in the various fields of computing - perhaps some of them need to work on teaching AI to identify gender rather than sex?

This Totally Real, Observable & Measurable Thing of Gender Identity will of course be recognisable by AI if you just provide it with enough examples to learn from. And then we teach AI to read auras.

I don’t understand what is so confusing to them about this: AI distinguishes between the sexes, so its exclusion of trans women from Giggle is the result of it doing just that.

The thing is, originally transwomen were permitted via manual intervention.

It was the stink they started causing that convinced Sal that actually letting them in was causing more of a problem, so she reversed policy and said, no - this whole concept will work better and make more sense as female-only.

It was the admission of transwomen to a female-only app that was the error, and she has already corrected it.

The reviews and responses are something else

I remember having a Twitter argument with Sall ages ago over the name Giggle and her marketing of it as an app 'for girls' when it was aimed at adult women. The word 'girls' is offputting to many feminists but does appeal to a certain kind of TRA.

I'm very pleased to see she has gotten off the fence and now sees the value in an explicitly female-only app.

De-lurking to say like so many of you, I am so sick of all this shit. It's just exhausting. I saw this Giggle thing a while ago so why now? Are they running out of targets so re-hashing old ones?

Why can't women just have one fucking space or place without a man feeling the need to invade? It's impossible to have any kind of debate with the trans people who have such an abusive and hostile agenda to women. Why? Why do they want to take any woman down who believes in actual biology and SCIENCE? They hate women so why are they acting like everything we have is so great they must take it? Go and make your own trans women app if there aren't any suitable already. Create and campaign for your own spaces, don't just barge in and demand access to those which women have worked hard to create and protect.

I have long ago reached the 'fuck it' and 'fuck off' point so I'm so glad there are women stronger than me who keep fighting the fight and speaking the facts.