Page 2 | James O’Brien on now ‘pregnant people’

GreekOlive · 2022-01-27T12:20:08+00:00

Big fan of J’OB ON LBC but listening to Mystery Hour now and he’s continually saying: why does a sense of smell change in ‘pregnant people’ as one of the questions. It’s grating as well as ridiculous. Anyone fancy ringing in to explain why a WOMAN’s smell changes in pregnancy?

DialSquare · 27/01/2022 15:39

Oh we know what's meant by it alright. That's why we are pushing back.

Redlake · 27/01/2022 15:38

@littlbrowndog

What them wee Tasmanian devils got to do with pregnant women 🤣🤷‍♀️

Well they don't care if you call them pregnant Tasmanian devils instead of Tasmanian she-devils.

littlbrowndog · 27/01/2022 15:34

What them wee Tasmanian devils got to do with pregnant women 🤣🤷‍♀️

Datun · 27/01/2022 15:24

@oklets

All I'm hearing is 'women have the right to be called women'. This is true, nobody is denying this. Then 'ONLY women give birth'. This is true only if you deny the existence of trans and non binary people. Think my question has been answered so toodles 👋🏼

You're saying that women have the right to be called women, but only if it's defined as men and women.

Got it. In all its blatant misogyny.

Bye.

Redlake · 27/01/2022 15:22

Pregnant person, people, woman, human, monkey, dog, cat, tasmanian devil, mouse...
Who cares. It's nitpicking. We all know what is meant.

ScreamingMeMe · 27/01/2022 15:21

@BlueberryCheezecake

Women still not people in the GC world, I see.

Men still not people in the TRA world, I see.

See, I can make facile arguments too.

foxgoosefinch · 27/01/2022 15:20

@oklets

I am a woman, I have given birth. I have no idea why people get so worked up about the use of inclusive language. Is it simply that you deny the existence of trans/non binary people?

Obviously they exist, but in the real world they are all biologically either men or women pretending to be something else.

We all know this to be true, however dressed up it is in “inclusive” language. “Identities” are in the mind; they are not bodies.

TheElementsSong · 27/01/2022 15:18

To be truly inclusive, the ploppers will have to refer to "carbon-based life-forms adjectively verbing carbon-based life-forms." Otherwise they're just hypocrites.

pollypokcet · 27/01/2022 15:11

@BlueberryCheezecake

Women still not people in the GC world, I see.

The real world, then? Only women can be pregnant.

crispsarny · 27/01/2022 15:10

use of cis traumatises me, it is used by aggressive trans activists & misogynists who are gaslighting me & wish me harm

spikesonbuildings · 27/01/2022 15:10

@zmq3Zm96uijcs2c

How do you figure?

Anyway as we’re basing outcomes on feelings, I think continuously reminding medical staff of our personhood might combat the ingrained misogyny that runs through the profession.

Being called “Mummy” from sun up to sunset didn’t save me. It was patronising and frankly, coming from them, infuriatingly dehumanising.

I am a cis het female who visibly presents as such too, just FYI.

If you hope to fight misogyny by using words to hide the fact you are female when you give birth, then I think you are on a hiding to nothing.

They can still see you are woman and that will still affect how they treat you. Its why you can't opt out of sexism by changing your pronouns.

We need to change attitudes to women AS WOMEN to do that.

VestofAbsurdity · 27/01/2022 15:09

Actually our whole point is that coercion and obstetric violence is a form of violence against women, and reflects the low status of women. We can't fight for society and services to treat women as equal human beings if we dilute and hide the analysis of what happens to us as women. As we dilute and hide it if we can't name it as happening to women.

EXACTLY.

DdraigGoch · 27/01/2022 15:07

@oklets

I am a woman, I have given birth. I have no idea why people get so worked up about the use of inclusive language. Is it simply that you deny the existence of trans/non binary people?

Language has to be exclusive, not inclusive. Otherwise no one would be sure of what you were saying and you may as well walk around saying "wibble".

"Wool comes from sheep" makes it clear to someone as to which animal they should use the clippers on to make a new scarf. If I told you that "wool comes from four-legged herbivores", I would be technically correct but simultaneously left wondering what you were doing to that cow.

VestofAbsurdity · 27/01/2022 15:07

I am a cis het female who visibly presents as such too, just FYI.

What a load of ridiculous verbiage to say you are a woman.

crispsarny · 27/01/2022 15:06

fuck off with that offensive cis shite

spikesonbuildings · 27/01/2022 15:04

@zmq3Zm96uijcs2c

I wish I’d been treated like a person when I gave birth… but sure, let’s fight over what we’re being called. That’s much more important than the coercion and obstetric violence that’s happening up and down the country whether you are a cis woman, non-binary or a trans man. But, yeah

being called a “person” is the issue. That’s why I needed £2000 worth of therapy for the trauma. Good to know 👍

Actually our whole point is that coercion and obstetric violence is a form of violence against women, and reflects the low status of women. We can't fight for society and services to treat women as equal human beings if we dilute and hide the analysis of what happens to us as women. As we dilute and hide it if we can't name it as happening to women.

tiktok · 27/01/2022 15:04

@zmq3Zm96uijcs2c you were patronised and treated in a way that made you feel belittled because of ingrained sexism in the maternity services (which reflect the world, after all). The answer is not to say 'don't treat me like a woman, treat me like a person, please!' but to see how women are systematically patronised and treated in a belittling way (sometimes worse than this, in the way women's bodily autonomy is not respected).

DdraigGoch · 27/01/2022 15:02

@BlueberryCheezecake

Women still not people in the GC world, I see.

I'm a person, can I get pregnant?

MarshmallowSwede · 27/01/2022 15:00

Women get pregnant.. no man ever in the history of the world has gotten pregnant or given birth.

MarshmallowSwede · 27/01/2022 15:00

@BlueberryCheezecake

You are as quiet as a church mouse whenever there is a thread about a trans woman raping someone.

Where were you when we were talking about that?

You only turn up to offer you nonsense contrarian bullshit responses on threads that won’t shatter your false weak world view that a man can put a dress on and become a woman.

I have time today!

zmq3Zm96uijcs2c · 27/01/2022 14:59

How do you figure?

Anyway as we’re basing outcomes on feelings, I think continuously reminding medical staff of our personhood might combat the ingrained misogyny that runs through the profession.

Being called “Mummy” from sun up to sunset didn’t save me. It was patronising and frankly, coming from them, infuriatingly dehumanising.

I am a cis het female who visibly presents as such too, just FYI.

crispsarny · 27/01/2022 14:57

JOB is another grifter, bit like OJ & Ash Sarkar.

Floisme · 27/01/2022 14:57

I don't blame oklets for not hanging around. If you really can't see that it's sex and not gender identity that's the issue when discussing who gets pregnant, then really all that's left are insults and a swift exit.

RepentMotherfucker · 27/01/2022 14:56

Why don't people read the fucking thread?

Not just plop shit all over it.

Have a look at the actual points we are making then answer them if you have answers (yes I know, i"ve just answered me own question there haven't I?)

dolorsit · 27/01/2022 14:54

@zmq3Zm96uijcs2c

I wish I’d been treated like a person when I gave birth… but sure, let’s fight over what we’re being called. That’s much more important than the coercion and obstetric violence that’s happening up and down the country whether you are a cis woman, non-binary or a trans man. But, yeah

being called a “person” is the issue. That’s why I needed £2000 worth of therapy for the trauma. Good to know 👍

But that's part of the point. Women have not been treated as people. They have been treated less well than men, their concerns dismissed. Do you really think that if childbirth and pregnancy was considered a "people issue" we would be seeing the issues we are today. The female sex class have a name, they should be able to use that name without being accused of bigotry.