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Woman on ward - complains about male patient. Is discharged.

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KittenKong · 27/01/2022 11:01

Going on twitter. She was in a Women’s ward (signage says ‘women’ but later this was disputed by staff).

Another patient on ward ‘Annie’ (not real name). Visitor comes in ‘Hello Fred’.

Woman patient complains that there is a male in the ward. Staff come on handed and tell her that there isn’t (and that there were no single sec wards) - and treated as if she is a troublemaker.

Woman mysteriously discharged PDQ, although not quite feeling well enough in herself.

twitter.com/gillyism/status/1486596070096478209?s=21

Baroness is on the case.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 11:58

I posted that up thread.the channel four fact check link.

And why is transwomen being beaten up by men the problem fir women to solve.

Women did what they could do fir women. We set up spaces away from men

Transpeople could do that . Set up spaces. We'd all contribute quite happily.

It would be a better use of time.akd resources than calling in stickers to the police

EeeICouldRipATissue · 05/02/2022 11:58

As a group they are probably the safest in the UK
Genuinely not sure how you have come to that conclusion.
What are you basing that on?

EeeICouldRipATissue · 05/02/2022 11:55

Evidence and sources that trans women aren't in danger please?
Saying you just don't feel like being someone's mum isn't really anything.
Are you actually also saying that people who are trans are always completely safe in the UK?

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 11:47

What danger is it you think transwomen are in in the UK?

As a group they are probably the safest in the UK. The biggest threat to males and men is other males and men.

So sticking males on a women's ward isn't solving the problem it's just making women unsafe.

Nale violence is problem.for men and males to solve.

Not the responsibility of women. We are not everyone's mother.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 05/02/2022 11:35

Yes, it would make them much safer for women, and less dangerous for trans women
How would it be less dangerous for trans women?

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 10:38

Why does that even matter if its true witg regards ti women's wards?

If mens watdsbare unsafe for some demographics if males you work to make them safer. You don't offload the problem.to.women and hope that as there's more of you all together you may not be picked this time Confused

MrsWooster · 05/02/2022 10:36

@DdraigGoch

We know from overwhelming evidence that trans women are just as likely to face sexual assault from men as other women

Please provide this evidence. Most men are heterosexual so are not sexually attracted to transwomen.

I’d also like to see this evidence- generally, including the prostituted transwomen from Latin American who are so often exploited by white middle class people who share only one of their characteristics, and for the UK.
AssignedBlobbyAtBirth · 05/02/2022 10:20

It is ridiculous to think it is possible to create a category of males who can use single sex spaces. They still remove the single sex space and make it impossible to police. Which is how we got to where we are now. The 'genuine' TW campaigned for it

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 09:55

The current issue is that males are being allowed into female wards.

Some.people like.yourself feel its OK but can't give a reason that stands up to the evidence to the contrary,why it's ok.

And some.people don't and have given facts as to why its a bad idea that people dismiss as its said by people they don't like.

What else is there to discuss. Males on a female ward taking priority over the care and wellbeing of the women.

I dont know what it is you want to discuss really of the topic is not something you want to engage in Confused
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Innocenta · 05/02/2022 09:38

@Whatwouldscullydo I'm not interested in having a battle with you; I only want to discuss the actual issue. As long as you continue to respond like that, I won't engage with it.

Quite happy to talk through the current state of affairs with anyone who's actually up for discussion.

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:47

And it's not GC "opinions"

We are dealing in facts here. Reported cases.

Statistics etc. These exist regardless.

Its not GC opinion that males in spaces make them.nore dangerous for women. It cant be simultaneously be an opinion of you Are GC and then safety be the entire case for housing transwomen on female wards.

Which is it?

People who are seeking to remove protections are either ones required required prove they are no longer needed.

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:40

So you cannot answer why, when we have proven that male pattern behaviour is retained,

That they aren't in danger

Women become in danger

Mixed sex removes our protections,

Why males need admission to hospital wards?

What is your argument based on then?

Innocenta · 05/02/2022 08:34

I'm really not interested in having a fight. NHS policy interests me a lot because I'm frequently admitted; it's very real and immediate to me. I am curious about how it will be managed going forward.

I am already familiar with GC opinions and don't need to hear it all over again, thanks. Happy to reply to anyone who wants to actually discuss NHS wards.

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:27

Do you think transwomen give up a chubk of their pay?

Refuse to be promoted ?

Take on more child care and parebt caring roles?

Start organising the birthday parties etc

Do you think they give up any of their male.privilege at all?

Why do they need womens rights gone? Why?

3 women a week.are killed by their male partners

There are more transwomwn in prison fir murder than have Jean murdered in the UK over rhe last decade. They are the safest demographic in the UK

Why do women need to give up up rights to protect them specifically?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:23

Then why are you agreeing to remove our rights there for our safety privacy and dignity for a males?

Why?

For what reason

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:22

Amd speaking of men and males. Where are They?

While women bend over backwards to be as kind as possible to them and grant them.access to unconsenting women and girls, where are they.

Are they camping to keep transwomen safe?

No

Are they sorting out their violent brothers so women and transwomen are safe?

No

Are they standing up amd showing us how they have made their spaces inclusive fir all gender non confirming males ?

No

When they moan about discrimination and women having more spaces than men what re they doing?

I'll tell you what men and males aren't

Theu aren't calling gyms and pools and exercise classes asking fir men/male only classes..no, they aren't wanted . Men and males don't really care abiut fighting fir their own spaces.

So what do they do Instead?.call gyms and pools etc and get the women only sessions stopped or forced to become mixed sex.

Why are you helping people who don't give a shit about you.

Innocenta · 05/02/2022 08:17

@Whatwouldscullydo No, I think women are more oppressed.

Rheopecticfluid · 05/02/2022 08:13

Men and males will not give you anything or protect you or be your friend if you assist them in removing womens spaces.

All that will happen is you would have served your purpose and be in the same danger as the rest of us now

Yes. Exactly this.

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:10

The reality is inno

That you have fallen fir and Neen emotionally blackmailed into believing that a a bunch of in tact middle age predominantly white males are somehow the most oppressed people on the planet and should be able to do what they like.

Do you think males are more oppressed than women? Why should women give up their protection for these males ?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 05/02/2022 08:10

@Waitwhat23

And GC feminists can't instantaneously produce the sex-segregated arrangement they want, either.

It was a sex segregated arrangement. That's the point. Legal single sex spaces have been eroded. Hospital wards are meant to be single sex and there were fines imposed on hospital trusts who breached that rule. The fines now seem to have been dropped due to a mix of lobbying from special interest groups and the effects of the pandemic.

We're not asking for something new and outrageous. We are asking for our legal right to single sex spaces to be upheld and not eradicated to appease those who don't care about women's safety or dignity.

This!!!!!!! We already had sea segregated spaces. They were taken away without any consultation or permission to please men

We’re not asking for something new & difficult we didn’t have

We are asking for what we already had to be returned

Whatwouldscullydo · 05/02/2022 08:05

Why are you so invested in allowing some subset of males into womens spaces.

Do you think women gain anything from this.

Do you gain anything?

What special protection do you get if you help males out with this?

Why do you think male violence against other males is a problem wonen should solve for them?

No.

Just no.

Men and males will not give you anything or protect you or be your friend if you assist them in removing womens spaces.

All that will happen is you would have served your purpose and be in the same danger as the rest of us now

Waitwhat23 · 05/02/2022 08:02

And GC feminists can't instantaneously produce the sex-segregated arrangement they want, either.

It was a sex segregated arrangement. That's the point. Legal single sex spaces have been eroded. Hospital wards are meant to be single sex and there were fines imposed on hospital trusts who breached that rule. The fines now seem to have been dropped due to a mix of lobbying from special interest groups and the effects of the pandemic.

We're not asking for something new and outrageous. We are asking for our legal right to single sex spaces to be upheld and not eradicated to appease those who don't care about women's safety or dignity.

Innocenta · 05/02/2022 07:50

@Migrainesbythedozen Yes, I know many people choose not to have surgery. The reason why I was referring to that smaller group (those who do), is because I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that this group of people are largely aligned with the 'old school transsexuals'.

Now, as I said, I do understand that from a purist GC perspective, this makes no difference if someone is XY rather than XX. As I also said in another message, I think this is a perfectly valid take and should be genuinely respected as a viewpoint (ie no cancellations, etc).

But my question is a bit different, and really revolves around what we can expect the NHS to do. How are they actually going to balance competing, irreconcilable interests? There are so many ways in which I wish we could just flip a switch and make the world better for women (most of them have nothing to do with trans people at all)... but the fact is, we can't. And GC feminists can't instantaneously produce the sex-segregated arrangement they want, either. I guess I don't see any point in denying the effectiveness of trans-centric lobbying: I know compromise is not what you want on this. I get that. But it's what we have and likely what we'll continue to have. So how should it be done?

I think use of side rooms, and prohibiting punishing distressed women, would be a step forward.

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