Woman on ward - complains about male patient. Is discharged.

And if they are unconscious or uncommunicative on admission then how are staff supposed to tell? Your model doesn't work in practice, especially in hospitals, that's the simple truth.

So the poor woman wasn't trans at all?!
She was just being judged on her looks?!
What happened to the usual mantra of we can always tell?!
It's not people who are trans that are a problem.
It's the self appointed gate keepers to womanhood that I find alarming.

Though I do agree that not knowing whether a ward is mixed sex or not is going to increase women's anxiety, and is going to result in more misunderstandings (at a minimum).

It's a bit like the gotcha of "this butch lesbian friend of mine was challenged in the toilets" - well, she probably wouldn't have been back in the days when so many men didn't feel they had a right to go into the women's loos

If mixed-sex wards are so great for everyone why isn't it publicised rather than hidden?

Why not have signs at the entrance saying 'Mixed Sex Ward' so everyone knows where they stand?

Is it because most people don't like the idea of them and still assume they are single-sex?

There would be uproar if the truth was actually said out loud.

The thread seems to have been deleted, but I read some of it before it went.

It was the most bizarre thread I've ever seen. I find it very strange to see that although she was discharged, there was a follow up where someone (I have no idea who) gave irrefutable proof that the person on the ward was a definite, natal, female, woman.

The reason I find it so bizarre isn't whether or not the woman in question was confused, misled, treated well or badly, but that someone from the hospital would release another patient's information in order to prove/disprove their sex.

Whatever happened here, the outcome is very, very strange.

And should hospital staff be checking people's genitals when not medically necessary to ensure they are placed in the ward which aligns with their birth sex?

What, you're saying men are likely to lie about their sex so they can be placed on a female ward?
No really? 😲
Well you could have knocked me down with a feather.

@barleybadminton “masculine looking women” - so you’re staying that there ARE biological differences between men and women and how they look. How very transphobic of you.

What about intersex women, where does someone like Castor Semanya go?

Castor is a biological male. Also, stop dragging intersex people into this. They aren't your support horse.

Its not just simple as just genitals, as the activists like to frame it in order to minimise the impact. But it's not just about that is it. It's about what men do with those genitals. It's about male aggression, and sexual offending. It's about male ability to overpower women. It's about the desire of males to breakdown those safeguards to enable easy access to women. The length males go to in order to achieve this is well documented. A cock is just a cock. It's the male attached to the cock that's the problem. And women do not want the cock, or the male attached to it, in women's sex segregated spaces.
But if it really is just about genitals, then there is no reason why the cocks don't just use the segregated spaces designated for cock owners. Is there....
After all, it's just genitals. Right?

Semanya is male and from all accounts, prefers to be seen as a man everywhere apart from running so should be fine and dandy on a male ward.

What about intersex women, where does someone like Castor Semanya go?

And should hospital staff be checking people's genitals when not medically necessary to ensure they are placed in the ward which aligns with their birth sex?

The truth is trans women exist, intersex women exist, masculine appearing women exist, and any attempt to rigidly police single sex spaces whether based on genital inspections or chromosone tests would be intrusive and impact on those born biologically female. And I don't see any other way to do it, because as this incident reveals, women can't actually always tell.

obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth

Never understood 'the policing the genitals' argument - it's sex class: 'gestates young' vs 'impregnates' and knowing one is oppressed by the other.

Oh don't worry, I knew it would be trans people's fault somehow.

What it actually illustrates is that obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth leads to biologically born women being abused.

What a bizarre argument. Unless women's spaces are protected from males, then biological women will be, and have been, abused. By some men identifying as women. And occasionally women may get it wrong. So what? This situation wouldn't have happened in the first place if trans rights activists, like yourself, hadn't been pushing this harmful ideology at the expense of women's safety.

And don't pretend for a moment that you are concerned about women being abused. Because I have never seen any evidence of those concerns, unless you can harness it for your own agenda.

I believe the head of nursing at the hospital was crowing about trans rights, so he was happy to imply that the other patient was a transwoman.

Reminds me of the bloke in the WiSpa video who had no idea who the male in question was, but was happy to tell the women that if it was a transwoman it was all fine and dandy so what's the problem?

Oh don't worry, I knew it would be trans people's fault somehow.

I'm not blaming trans people. I am saying that when you go forward with a policy that says that a 'female only single sex' space is actually open to males as well, and women know that the space that is supposed to be female only is potentially open to males as well, they are going to be scared and suspicious.

If the woman in question knew that no male could ever be in the single sex ward she was in, she wouldn't have been suspicious of anyone being male would she? And that would include trans men.

What it actually illustrates is that obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth leads to biologically born women being abused.

It demonstrates that the destruction of trust in healthcare has consequences. I believe the head of nursing at the hospital was crowing about trans rights, so he was happy to imply that the other patient was a transwoman.

What it actually illustrates is that obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth leads to biologically born women being abused.

This really isn't the gotcha you think it is. It illustrates how important it is for women to know for certain that everyone in their vulnerable space is female.

It's because women have been told that males can be in their spaces if they so wish, and tough shit if they don't like it, whatever their previous trauma around males, that this is a problem.

If single sex wards were very definitely single sex wards she wouldn't have had to question it.

Ooops! Not turning out be a great week for the integrity of the gender critical movement.

twitter.com/Gillyism/status/1489201390341791759

"This is incredibly hard to say and I couldn’t feel more foolish, embarrassed, awkward and dumbfounded as I do now, but it’s been confirmed that the person I believed to be male on the hospital all female bay I was on, was indeed in fact, a female. This has been 100% verified."

Guess you can't always tell. Wonder how many more women will end up being harassed by gender critical activists because they are not sufficiently feminine.