Male midwife facing 29 charges of misconduct,

Are the schools off again, btw?

Top tip, HouseWivesFavourite - generally wishing death on other people is a good example of someone whose views are 'bigoted', rather than, say, women stating their boundaries and consent. But good to see you state your position clearly.

I had a female sonographer who shoved me, without warning, so hard that I nearly fell off the bed. When I said it hurt she rolled her eyes and muttered something about the baby’s position while continuing to push and shove. My stomach was sore for days.

So because the NHS allows abusive female HCPs to remain in post that reassures you there would be appropriate safeguards against abusive male HCPs?

I'm sorry she assaulted you. I hope you felt able to complain.

I fully agree with you on that. And it’s not just about women and giving birth.

So we have 4% of male MW who behaved inappropriately.
I’m wondering what is the rate for male gynaecologists. Or fertility specialists.

I’m also wondering why so many people say they wouldn’t want a male MW about will have no issue with a male gynaecologist at the birth (one was there with Dc1 for a ventouse delivery, they are the ones who perform CS etc etc).

Now, I’m not advocating that women should all be happy to have a male MW. I’m just surprised that one is seen as unacceptable but not the other when the risks are not dissimilar.

The NHS fails at a systemic level on patient consent, because its culture is coercive and paternalistic.

Adding this into a situation where there is already a culture of violating consent is unsafe.

No male midwives. Shouldn't be a thing.
Any men dreaming of spending their working lives looking at women's intimate areas needs to be vetted and supervised at all times, they're all suss as fuck

The man who did my next one was respectful and really put me at ease.

I didn’t have a male midwife but the male consultant I was moved to after complaining about my initial consultant was great, and the surgeon who delivered my son was respectful too. Plus the male anesthesiologist was an absolute angel, he really advocated for me when I was at my most vulnerable.

Before having my baby I was horrified by the idea of a man being involved in my care. Now I’m not so sure.

You can’t train people not be perverts, but you can train people who are not performing scans well or internal exams well.

Perverts should be removed from the system before they even had a chance to qualify.

I wonder how many women don’t feel they can decline a male midwife.

I started a thread about the lack of consent with Nhs students and it’s quite clear from the replies that some medical people have no regard at all for consent.

I struggle with make gynae and midwifery. I just do. Yes it's me not them, may well be all in my head and prejudice... but I just don't want it... at all. Stories like this make me sick..

As a pp demonstrates: the problem with supposed 'choice' of who a male midwife can work with is that some women will be pressured to believe it's him or no one, and have to endure a situation they would not have chosen to be in, in one of the most vulnerable times of their life. Not to mention the worries about female colleagues fluffing up in defense of their male colleague being rejected and being angry about it and that's before they've stuffed fingers inside you. Women should not be put in this position. Not to meet the needs of male people, they really shouldn't.

So while I'm no fan of sex based restrictions, there clearly is grounds here to say this experiment has been tried, and it's not going as well for females as for males, and it needs questioning. Like male people in women's prisons. And mixed sex refuges. And mixed sex toilets.

Funny how we keep getting back to a sex based problem where one sex is always the loser to the better interests, wishes and choices of the other sex. It's like there's some massive imbalance of power and without separation at times, one sex always ends up at risk of exploitation or harm. Hmm. Could this be why females need the absolute, unquestioned option of gatekept single sex services? Where no male born person ever gets to be more important than the gatekept service or resource? And where using a mixed sex facility is therefore the informed choice of the female who has consented to it and is happy to take the potential risks involved?

Training is the answer here not banning

If people need "training" to not hurt theor patients, or to nor be a pervert then they shouldn't be in the job surely?

What training does one need to do a job after studying and qualifying? They know, they don't care. No amount of training will change that. Why are we always so keen to infantilise, explain and train. We need to accept some people just don't belong in.some jobs.

'Training is the answer here not banning.'

You can't train someone out of being a predator or fetishist! Do you not grasp that (some) people go for these jobs because it gives them access to their potential victims?!

Single sex services are permitted where:

only people of that sex require it;

there is joint provision for both sexes but that is not sufficient on its own;

if the service were provided for men and women jointly, it would not be as effective and it is not reasonably practicable to provide separate services for each sex;

they are provided in a hospital or other place where users need special attention (or in parts of such an establishment);

they may be used by more than one person and a woman might object to the presence of a man (or vice versa); or

they may involve physical contact between a user and someone else and that other person may reasonably object if the user is of the opposite sex.

Oh for God’s sake, we can’t ban people of certain sexes from jobs. That will never end well.

There's a legal exemption to allow exactly that.
And it's almost exclusively there to provide a safer outcome for women.