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Recommended reading - what books would be confiscated from your house?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/01/2022 19:32

Am slack jawed reading about the police removing a book from a woman's home which she believes was to "check" her thinking.

It gave me pause to look at my own bolshy bookshelf with scribbles of sedition.

What books have you read that some might consider "problematic" but which you found particularly helpful, interesting or challenging and which maybe led you to these boards?

Jenni's book is by Heather Brunskell Evans, I think it might be this one:
www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2020/11/27/book-review-transgender-body-politics-by-heather-brunskell-evans

I'd recommend Kathleen Stock, of course
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/material-girls-by-kathleen-stock-review-bkqxckqqr

Helen Joyce, this is the one that every MP was sent.
www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/trans-when-ideology-meets-reality-helen-joyce-review-b944183.html

Milli Hill - not about trans but about obstetric violence
(presumably this was reviewed before Milli said she thought that sex is a thing)
www.aims.org.uk/journal/item/give-birth-like-a-feminist-review

Maya Dusenbery's "Doing Harm" is a few years old and there are other versions by other authors examining medical misogyny, but, this is my favourite of them
therumpus.net/2018/04/doing-harm-by-maya-dusenbery/

Inferior by Angela Saini is similar but looks at the sciences in general
www.chemistryworld.com/review/inferior-how-science-got-women-wrong-and-the-new-research-thats-rewriting-the-story-/3008048.article

Who cooked Adam Smith's dinner by Katrine Marcal is a feminist critique of economics wbg.org.uk/blog/who-cooked-adam-smiths-dinner-a-review/

In Control by Jane Monckton Smith is about predictors for male violence which end in the murder of women www.college.police.uk/article/dangerous-relationships-and-how-they-end-book-review

The Mental Load by Emma (no surname) is a cartoon book about who does what in a home and why www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic

The trouble with women by Jackie Fleming is hilarious and beautifully illustrated. www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/16/the-trouble-with-women-jacky-fleming-feminist-cartoons

There are others. If the police wish to remove my books I will expect a receipt and for them to be returned to me. Although, if they were a bit dog eared by the time I got them back because they'd been quietly shared round the stations, well, that would please me enormously.

For balance, I have read Juno Dawson, Shon Faye and have attempted Alok Vaid-Menon's three times now...honestly, I know you don't get as much time to read as you'd like, so I recommend saving those treasures until after you have read and reflected all of the books on your "oh, that looks interesting" list.

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 26/01/2022 08:41

All my Harry Potter and Strike books surely?

KittenKong · 26/01/2022 08:35

Dunno but I’m sure many would have ‘warnings’ attached. That’s what comes of a household of bookworms, collectors and English grads. Oh dear - people reason books? Whatever next?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/01/2022 08:00

Maybe just having books will be enough. It's too dangerous to allow women to read. They might get ideas.

FemaleAndLearning · 25/01/2022 22:51

@FOJN

I have The Freedom Fallacy (multiple authors), Jessa Crispin, Caroline Criado Perez, Finn Mackay, Kate Manne, Gerder Lerner, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Cordelia Fine (several), Germaine Greer, Helen Joyce and loads more on the kindle which is MIA at the moment.

I'd only read a couple of these before I found FWR just over 4 years ago. You lot are a bad influence Grin

Not to mention everything by Robert Galbraith.

Let's not talk about the stickers and hateful haberdashery.

I really think we should call it harmless habdashery.
NitroNine · 25/01/2022 22:45

The terribly predictable [include] A Room of One’s Own, Three Guineas, A Vindication of the Rights of Woman & books by J K Rowling in a few languages.

I don’t think some of my heftier books like Lucy Moore’s Liberty would be approved of either. Jane Robinson’s Bluestockings (& everything else on the education of women) would be gone. Anne Lister’s diary? Perhaps if I swore on it that (all evidence & good practice to the contrary) she was in fact a trans man I’d be allowed to keep it?

Anything by Mill or Bentham is out one assumes. And not in a strongly-argued anti-utilitarian down-with-this “Philosophy Of Swine” way. (Bet Bentham wishes he were safely in his grave now. Not surrounded by students so self-absorbed they don’t notice a man who died in 1832 is in a meeting with them).

Voice0fReason · 25/01/2022 22:18

1984
so they can perfect their techniques

SpikeySmooth · 25/01/2022 22:15

Oh, and Around the World in Eighty Days by Jules Verne. I was very disappointed with the recent series, so am going back to the original text.

More: Pride and Prejudice by Austen
War and Peace by Tolstoy (I skipped the war bits)
All the Strike books. A very bad influence.
Jews don't count by David Baddiel. Jesus, I'm going to hell.

SpikeySmooth · 25/01/2022 22:07

Don't have a bookshelf, I read everything on my Kindle.

The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
Material Girls by Dr Stock
Transnby Helen Joyce
And because I wanted to read something on "the other side", The Transgender Issue by Shon Faye.

I also read a lot of historical books. Currently having a go at Aftermath: Life in the Fallout of the Third Reich 1945-1955 by Harald Jähner.

All in all, I think I should be put away for decades.

Vargas · 25/01/2022 21:56

Oh crap, I've got some issues of the Radical Notion too. I'll hide them under some hard core porn mags - the police won't care about those - phew.

Vargas · 25/01/2022 21:54

We've got all the Harry Potter books, and clearly read multiple times so I guess that's straight to the gulag.

I've got Material Girls on my kindle, do you think the police know about kindles? Just wondering as they seem to think it's the 1950s still ...Hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/01/2022 21:53

Not technically a book but I have every issue of Radical Notion which must mark me as a Dangerous Woman...

Artichokeleaves · 25/01/2022 21:49

Women who run with the wolves, The Crucible and my works of Deborah Cameron, all definitely going to land me in the clink for having ideas above my station and encouraging the whole saying no to male people thing. I'm also starting to eye up the cat who would definitely dob me in as my familiar for a few Dreamies.

FOJN · 25/01/2022 21:41

I have The Freedom Fallacy (multiple authors), Jessa Crispin, Caroline Criado Perez, Finn Mackay, Kate Manne, Gerder Lerner, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Cordelia Fine (several), Germaine Greer, Helen Joyce and loads more on the kindle which is MIA at the moment.

I'd only read a couple of these before I found FWR just over 4 years ago. You lot are a bad influence Grin

Not to mention everything by Robert Galbraith.

Let's not talk about the stickers and hateful haberdashery.

CompleteGinasaur · 25/01/2022 21:35

And about the same time - Left Hand Of Darkness and The Dispossessed by Ursula K. LeGuin. Or anything else by her, come to think of it.

CompleteGinasaur · 25/01/2022 21:32

Me too, EmmaGrundy, it's why it had to go in; can't have books teaching you to see for yourself rather than seeing what you're supposed to see, now can we? Funnily enough, I bought it in Newport, too - did my A levels there!

FemaleAndLearning · 25/01/2022 21:30

Our display that my daughter did. She is ploughing her way through the books, I've got a lot of reading to do.

Recommended reading - what books would be confiscated from your house?
Rightsraptor · 25/01/2022 21:29

I have the last 'Strike' novel where the murderer is not a transwoman. Plus various other JKR books.

I wonder what we'd be allowed to read? The Thoughts of Chairnonfemaleperson Mao, perhaps.

LilithOfEden · 25/01/2022 21:26

The Wind in the Willows. Toad escaping his prison sentence by dressing up as a washer woman is pure dogwhistle transphobia.

Rightsraptor · 25/01/2022 21:26

Damn. Forgot 'Vindication of the Rights of Woman' by the peerless Mary Wollstoncraft, of course.

Rightsraptor · 25/01/2022 21:24

I have all 4 of last year's Radical Notion and their 'This Witch Won't Burn' poster on my wall. Also Rachel Rooney's 'My Body is Me'. Then we have 'The Weaker Sex' by Antonia Fraser, 'Invisible Women' by Caroline Criado Perez, 'Reproductive Rituals' by Angus McClaren, 'The Female Man' by Joanna Russ, 'The History of Women's Bodies' by Edward Shorter, 'Sex Matters' by Allyson J McGregor, Gina Rippon's 'The Gendered Brain', 'Words & Women' Casey Miller & Kate Swift, 'The Mythology of Sex' by Sarah Dening, 'We Should All Be Feminists' Chimananda Ngozie Adichie, Betty Friedan's 'The Problem That Has No Name'. Douglas Murray's 'The Madness of Crowds' which has a chapter on trans which would be 'problematic', I have no doubt. Helen Joyce's 'Trans' is safely out on loan. Of course some fiction has a feminist bent, which wouldn't be obvious to your average plod, such as Charlotte Brontë's 'Shirley' and her sister Anne's 'Tennant of Wildfell Hall'.

It occurs to me to make dust jackets for them, or go to a charity shop and source inoffensive or politically correct dust jackets from other books and just dress my books in them. Why should that thought even occur to me? Why should I think about disguising the books on my bookshelves?

EmmaGrundyForPM · 25/01/2022 21:16

@CompleteGinasaur

Most of mine are so old they are probably aren't mentioned on the Fahrenheit 451, Danger,Will Robinson shitlist, but I'd begin with Man Made Language and The Dialectic of Sex - the titles would give them away, you see...
I've got a much treasured copy of Man Made Language which I bought 2nd hand when I was about 18 and it was one of those. books which started me on the path to feminism.
Toseland · 25/01/2022 21:00

I’ve got 1984 and Animal Farm amongst Atwoods, Greers and others on the bookshelf. In the ‘currently reading’ pile the Manningtree Witches and Invisible Women and I’ve just remembered all the Radical Notions in the magazine rack - eeeeeek!

TofuDelights · 25/01/2022 20:39

Some of the above but can I add The End of the World is Flat? Hardly a seminal feminist tome of course, but my thinking could be checked for that!

Also all the Strikes, every Potter book, The Ickabog and The Christmas Pig!!

(I do have some books with big words, honest!!)

TheWeeDonkey · 25/01/2022 20:33

Currently reading Men who Hate Women, thats a 12 stretch easily

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/01/2022 20:27

@CompleteGinasaur

Most of mine are so old they are probably aren't mentioned on the Fahrenheit 451, Danger,Will Robinson shitlist, but I'd begin with Man Made Language and The Dialectic of Sex - the titles would give them away, you see...
Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal about the Mind

All my Mary Daly or Audre Lorde…