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Seeking advice - work want to change the name of the Women's Committee

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Dexy007 · 25/01/2022 07:21

Our workplace (big national law firm) has a women's network. I won't name it for obvious reasons but the name of it includes "Women".

The firm alreayd has an LGBTQIA+ society and an equality and diversity committee.

At a recent committee meeting one of the young committee members suggested our objectives might need updated to be more inclusive. A few people voiced that this would be a good project. I am GC (privately) and inserted myself into the task force to try and bring some balance to the process.

The objectives basically say (again I won't be specific so as not to be outing) that the committee's objectives are to champion women and their achievements and to encourage women to develop their professional network inside and outside the firm.

As you would expect from an 'older' objectives statement (not drafted in the last 2~years) there is no reference to gender, sex, and so on. It just basically says by women for women, everyone welcome incl. men.

The two younger members of the committee and I had our first 'sub-committee' chat. I said (in terms): "I have given this a lot of thought and have tried various wording in my head and I am afraid I can't think of anything better than what we have already. As transwomen are women [NB not my personal literal view], what is the point in saying 'Women incl. transwomen'. That would be 'othering' and may be hurtful. We are going to tie ourselves in knots trying to define woman and whatever definition we use, it will miss out a class of woman who will feel excluded, or will offend someone by using a term someone doesn't agree with. Many people, for example, are offended by the term cis-gender. [NB: this was met with genuine surprise by my colleagues]. If someone is a woman, they will know the committee is aimed at them, and if they are not then they will know they are still welcome anyway because we clearly say it is open to everyone, including men."

My colleagues suggested "People who identify as women" and I said "but what are our invites going to say - an event run by and for people who identify as women, open to everyone including people who identify as men? That is very silly and in that case why aren't we just saying "our events are for human beings"?

We had to call time on it but when we next speak, what subtle and objectively inoffensive arguments can i raise in our next meeting?

I need to (appear to be) Switzerland in this situation, and while I would love to say what I really feel, I will be fired.

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CallMeNutribullet · 25/01/2022 08:02

This happened at my work 2 years ago and there was initial support for changing the name to be more inclusive. I was the only person who objected and said no one would dream of changing the name of the LGBT network or disabled network to make others feel more included. That gained some support- I think people were just afraid to speak out.

They later sent out a poll asking opinions and have never updated us on the results, just seem to have quietly dropped the idea.

Hathertonhariden · 25/01/2022 08:00

Would making it a group for legally protected characteristics be an option? I think that being a law firm should give you much more ability to respect the law and abide by legal definitions than other workplaces

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/01/2022 07:54

Perhaps!

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/01/2022 07:53

As it’s a law form perca-os they should stick to the legal definition of women?

JellySaurus · 25/01/2022 07:46

Doesn't changing the terms of this network to reflect gender-diversity duplicate the work/roles/objectives of the other two societies?

Wouldn't trying to define the specific nature of every woman welcomed by this society in order not to offend, actually increase the risk of offending someone, eg 'cis' women or left-handed women?

You already have company organisations that represent women, which focus on gender diversity and sexuality. Surely true diversity and equality would be having an organisation that focuses on other aspects of being a woman.

Not that I suggest using my wording. I think it's wordy and convoluted. But it's incredibly difficult being apparently neutral while actually trying to support women!

Riverlee · 25/01/2022 07:44

If they mention the cis word again, maybe mention that if they refer to cis-women, then they have to refer to cis-men, to make all things equal (and I image most men won’t understand this at all).

Cis is not a common term in the wider community either. I once asked around, no-one knew it’s meaning. I wouldn’t have done if it wasn’t for mn.

SportsMother · 25/01/2022 07:36

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OhHolyJesus · 25/01/2022 07:24

As this is a law firm, surely the very basics are understood, they know sex is a protected characteristic right?

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