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Glinner & Phillimore on GB News re Girl Guides

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Abitofalark · 23/01/2022 19:23

On NOW.

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PatsArrow · 23/01/2022 21:47

*packed a whole load into that segment.

PatsArrow · 23/01/2022 21:46

Brilliant run down OP.

It was Maria Maclachlan (who got attacked at Speaker's Corner by Tara Wolf).

I think between Sarah and Glinner they Iz Jed a whole load into that segment. You could hear little gasps and see shocked expression on people's faces in the audience.

Abitofalark · 23/01/2022 21:41

This was on the programme Free Speech Nation hosted by Andrew Doyle. GB News does sometimes repeat things so it might crop up again but I don't when or which programmes are repeated.

They were on for I reckon 20 minutes and had a good tour d'horizon of notorious instances, taking in a lot more than the girl guides scandal.

Discussion about two women who were scout leaders having lost their posts, while a person posting a photo in fetish gear with guns got away with it, which G said was because of male privilege. Merely expressing concern about that incident resulted in being reported to the police. AD referenced interviews under caution under the Malicious Communications Act, for which told no evidence of hate was needed. SP said this is unlawful. Three police forces had been contacted by the programme for comments.

G pointed out that saying a man is a woman is a lie yet even broadsheet national newspapers are referring to men as she. It is even in official statistics, so that women are appearing as paedophile offenders. And in court, thanks to that 'crazy bench book', Maria ? angered the judge for not wanting to call her attacker she and appeared to be penalised for that. That person is now fighting against men in Thailand - kickboxing. The crazy book has however been amended following an outcry, so it now says to take account of the sensitivities of the victim in court.

G said that when there is a war on reality it is a moral imperative to resist the taboo of misgendering. He noted that there is a small number of very dangerous men wanting to control the narrative and most trans people do not support it. The Girl Guides have a very strict safeguarding policy until it comes to this subject. Danger of creating a sacred caste which is what is happening here. Worry is more about the clever ones who will conceal and not be daft enough to post their fetish photos.

SP said you can have gender identity but you can't change sex and sex is important. She talked about being peaked and becoming active as a result of the NSPCC scandal of a member of staff posting a link to a photo of him masturbating at work and the organisation ignoring her complaint so she reported it, as she'd told them she would if they didn't act.

SP said the way to get anything done is by legal action via the courts. AD noted that after the court case which found the non-crime hate incident guidance and police practice unlawful, the College of Policing thought they would merely modify the wording and carry on. SP said that following a House of Lords debate, there would have to be a code of regulation rather than a mere change of wording. She told an anecdote about her little dog being on the police database for six years, something to do with being a Nazi - I didn't catch it but they all laughed at that.

AD mentioned sex offenders in prison. G noted that women in prison are vulnerable, many of them having suffered blunt force trauma to the head. SP said that self ID had first been introduced to prisons, deliberately, because nobody would care about women in prison.

AD said he'd invited people to come onto the programme to defend self ID and no one will.

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rabbitwoman · 23/01/2022 21:34

Great. Not seen Sarah phillimore speak before, and she is great - knowledgable, calm, articulate, she backs up her arguments with evidence, makes sense, sounds reasonable.

Just like Helen Joyce, Kathleen stock, abigail shrier, Julie blindle..... I can't believe that anyone would rather give weight to the nonsense spouted by the likes of Owen Jones or Grace lavery or India Willoughby on this.....

Cannot wait to see Helen Joyce and Grace lavery go head to head, I would pay fir a ticket, is it still going ahead? Someone I spoke to on twitter said he would debate with me on his YouTube channel (only 50 subscribers.....) and I said, yup, name the time..... Never heard from him again....

...... But as for glinner..... I think he is marvellous..... If I were a single lady....

ShinyHappyPoster · 23/01/2022 20:56

It's a shame the Guide leaders weren't available or able to speak.

nauticant · 23/01/2022 20:56

For those keen on seeing Glinner's contribution, there's currently a GB News livestream where you can see the whole thing. It starts a little over 20 minutes from the start of the video:

nauticant · 23/01/2022 20:48

I should have said, the video on twitter I linked to is Sarah Phillimore's summary of what's been going on with the Guides.

DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 23/01/2022 20:48

nauticant Glinner doesn't get going in that segment

DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 23/01/2022 20:41

Ooh I'm sure I'll catch up with it at some point. I love Glinner when he's in full flow.

nauticant · 23/01/2022 20:41

As @PatsArrow suggested, here's the segment on twitter:

twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1485339935204904966

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/01/2022 20:39

I missed the beginning of it (thanks for the thread, @Abitofalark) - they showed the photos from Monica's account?

I think this could be key for peaking people.

PatsArrow · 23/01/2022 20:19

Andrew Doyle sometimes links YouTube clips to his Twitter after the event. Keep an eye out.

They were great. Sarah Phillimore took it right down to basics and was so brilliant and clear in her reasoning. Glinner caused a ripple with his 'misgendering' but he explained firmly and robustly. Saying we all are being gaslighted.

Abhannmor · 23/01/2022 20:06

Bah. I don't have GN News. Might be something on Glinners podcast

Rightsraptor · 23/01/2022 20:05

They were both excellent.

PatsArrow · 23/01/2022 19:53

Both brilliant I thought.

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