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Glinner & Phillimore on GB News re Girl Guides

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Abitofalark · 23/01/2022 19:23

On NOW.

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Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 24/01/2022 00:19

www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-sex-offenders-exploiting-trans-rights-policies-behind-bars-

According to this recent article, by James Kirkup in the Spectator on 19th January, the most recent statistics available from the Ministry of Justice show that 18% of the men in prison who aren't trans identified, are currently serving time for sexual offences.

Amongst those who identify as transwomen, the percentage jumps to "between 60 and 61.3%". (That's those who don't have a GR certificate, because statistics covering those with a GRC are harder to separate out from the female prison population and are not yet available).

I believe women have been banned from twitter for sharing these official government statistics. Some people feel very strongly that this is information that needs to be kept out of the public sphere.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 24/01/2022 00:18

www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-sex-offenders-exploiting-trans-rights-policies-behind-bars-

According to this recent article, by James Kirkup in the Spectator on 19th January, the most recent statistics available from the Ministry of Justice show that 18% of the men in prison who aren't trans identified, are currently serving time for sexual offences.

Amongst those who identify as transwomen, the percentage jumps to "between 60 and 61.3%". (That's those who don't have a GR certificate, because statistics covering those with a GRC are harder to separate out from the female prison population and are not yet available).

I believe women have been banned from twitter for sharing these official government statistics. Some people feel very strongly that this is information that needs to be kept out of the public sphere.

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/01/2022 00:16

That was a pretty good interview. Not much that can be argued with really. Was fairly easy to follow too so hopefully for those less in the know, it explained what was happening and why in a way you could understand.

It won't go down well for sure.

Mollyollydolly · 24/01/2022 00:06

Just watching the repeat now on Freeview. Thank you Sarah and Graham. And thank you Andrew Doyle who always discusses this topic intelligently .. I really love Andrew Doyle. There's loads of stuff on GB News I cant stand but I do appreciate their free speech angle and Doyle particularly discusses issues in an intelligent and articulate way.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/01/2022 23:36

Glinner mentioned Keep Prisons Single Sex evidence to House of Lords, written by Dr Kate Coleman:

6.3.4 As a group, women in prison are very different to men in prison. Women are more likely to have experienced violence and abuse from men, including sexual abuse, often since childhood. For example:
• Over 30% report a history of sexual abuse
• Almost 60% report experiencing domestic violence
• At 65%, there is a high prevalence of traumatic brain injury, with the majority of these injuries caused by a male partner

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/16850/pdf/

Goldshelfie · 23/01/2022 23:36

They were both great, and Andrew Doyle has been good on this subject for a while too.

SantaClawsServiette · 23/01/2022 23:30

That was a really good interview. It was interesting to watch the faces of the audience.

ArabellaScott · 23/01/2022 23:17

@PlinkPlankPlunk

This was a great watch; I wonder what sort of reach it has? The interviewer ( I’ve not seen him before) had a good pace and really got them to cover a lot of ground. Very articulate, both of them
A wee google suggests GB evening programmes seem to get viewing figures of around 150,000.

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/six-months-gb-news-defying-left-wing-critics-except-one-issue/

BaronMunchausen · 23/01/2022 23:16

@PlinkPlankPlunk

This was a great watch; I wonder what sort of reach it has? The interviewer ( I’ve not seen him before) had a good pace and really got them to cover a lot of ground. Very articulate, both of them
Andrew Doyle is very good. He's behind Titania McGrath and writes some Jonathan Pie material.
AnyFucker · 23/01/2022 23:16

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BaronMunchausen · 23/01/2022 23:11

I've checked those prisoner statistics. From Freedom of Information 200615022, released on July 2020 on the government website, Table 2: 'Sexual offences recorded for legally male transgender prisoners identified in the March/April 2019 data collection and sentenced with one or more sexual offences':

Total number of legally male transgender prisoners sentenced for one or more sexual offence --- 74
Total number of legally male transgender prisoners in March/April 2019 --- 129

I make that 57% of legally male transgender prisoners sentenced for one or more sexual offence.

PlinkPlankPlunk · 23/01/2022 23:07

This was a great watch; I wonder what sort of reach it has? The interviewer ( I’ve not seen him before) had a good pace and really got them to cover a lot of ground. Very articulate, both of them

PenStation · 23/01/2022 23:05

Thank you for sharing, very interesting. Especially appreciated Sarah Phillimore’s clear explanations.

BaronMunchausen · 23/01/2022 22:59

If the police are acting unlawfully after the Miller judgement last month, what exactly can be done about it?

Priti Patel has written to police chiefs and the College of Policing, but the police appear to be a law unto themselves and are carrying on regardless.

DontLikeCrumpets · 23/01/2022 22:58

Thanks @nauticant for the link as I couldn't find it. Absolutely brilliant discussion. So impressed with Sarah Phillamore who I haven't heard of before and Linehan was great as usual. Also kudos to the host. Hosts can make or break discussions. He is a true professional.

BaronMunchausen · 23/01/2022 22:56

@Linguini

They certainly did cover a lot. AD brought up the stat that 48% transwomen in prison are there for sex offenses, so you have to admit that either sex offenders are abusing the system which proves it isn't foolproof, or that there's a high percentage of sex offenders in the trans community. Really important and not widely known. It's had well over 3K views on YouTube.

The sunlight is great.

I think the 48% stat from 2019 is trans prisoners in general; for transwomen in prison it's 57%.
TheMarzipanDildo · 23/01/2022 22:56

Thanks for pointing this out OP, it was a really good conversation.

ArabellaScott · 23/01/2022 22:42

Both were excellent. Thank you, Sarah and Graham.

nauticant · 23/01/2022 22:28

Here's a link that goes directly to the part of Andrew Doyle's Free Speech Nation programme that features Sarah Phillimore and Graham Linehan:

Linguini · 23/01/2022 22:24

@DontLikeCrumpets

what is GBNews and do you have a links? Thanks
It's on Sky/Freeview/Virgin. Nigel Farage presents his own hour 4 days a week... Eamon Holmes left "This Morning" to go there... They pride the free speech angle.

It seems to be doing really well. You can find bits of it on YouTube if you search GBNews.

Abitofalark · 23/01/2022 22:11

Thank you, PatsArrow. I thought it was Maria MacLachlan but wasn't sure. They did pack a hell of a lot in and I didn't get it all but at least people who didn't see it will have some sense of what they covered.

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Redshoeblueshoe · 23/01/2022 22:09

Thanks for posting, I'll watch this tomorrow

DontLikeCrumpets · 23/01/2022 22:09

what is GBNews and do you have a links? Thanks

Linguini · 23/01/2022 22:04

They certainly did cover a lot.
AD brought up the stat that 48% transwomen in prison are there for sex offenses, so you have to admit that either sex offenders are abusing the system which proves it isn't foolproof, or that there's a high percentage of sex offenders in the trans community. Really important and not widely known.
It's had well over 3K views on YouTube.

The sunlight is great.

DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 23/01/2022 22:02

Thanks nauticant much appreciated. I was trying to find a link myself but failed. Sarah Phillimore was very impressive, I look forward to her court case.
I've such a soft spot for Glinner. I could watch him all day.
GB News are doing a sterling job of getting more exposure for the travesties that are happening. Let's hope the resistance is gaining traction.

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