Glinner & Phillimore on GB News re Girl Guides

thank you!

Well done yesterday @Spero and @Glinner. You got a lot of points across and complemented each others’ contributions well. It was also good that Andrew understands the issues at stake and gave you space to make your points. I laughed at Sarah’s comment about her dog’s photo on the police database. 😄

You could seek sort of reverse sponsorship, Glinner.

Thanks @Glinner. You and @Spero were great!

The crib sheet is a good idea, thank you! Maybe I'll start one up in Workflowy (everyone should use Workflowy, I'm not being paid to say that. It fact it would be more likely they would pay me not to mention them)

Self ID means there is no recording of who identifies as trans.

Plus, he's speaking on live tv and that can make you a bit flustered.

Good point. I'd forgotten about that.

LillethofEden that's a good point about Graham. I wish he would keep these exact sources and facts to hand too.
I believe G has said before that he suffers from ADHD and has so many thoughts racing through his head it can be hard to control. He often seems to come across this way

He's also post chemotherapy and that has a profound effect on some people's memories.

*serious interview

LillethofEden that's a good point about Graham. I wish he would keep these exact sources and facts to hand too.
I believe G has said before that he suffers from ADHD and has so many thoughts racing through his head it can be hard to control. He often seems to come across this way.

Nonetheless, I agree Sarah and him together did a great job. As long as Andrew Doyle keeps coming back to this he'll just keep hacking away at the subject. What with GB News (and Talk Radio seem ti have picked up the mantle too).....I'm hoping (against hope?) that MSM soon pick up this subject for series interview. Not just a 50 sec slot on Andrew Marr or Lorraine Kelly 🙄

According to this recent article, by James Kirkup in the Spectator on 19th January, the most recent statistics available from the Ministry of Justice show that 18% of the men in prison who aren't trans identified, are currently serving time for sexual offences.

Amongst those who identify as transwomen, the percentage jumps to "between 60 and 61.3%". (That's those who don't have a GR certificate, because statistics covering those with a GRC are harder to separate out from the female prison population and are not yet available).

There are two other statistic we need to make sense of this - what is the population size for TW and, from this, what proportion of TW are sex offenders?

That was a great piece, well done Sarah Philimore and Graham Linehan and thank you Andrew Doyle for FSN.

Having said that, 2 things annoyed me:

1. I wish GL would keep a crib sheet of sources. It was so important that he brought up Kate Coleman's study, but it would have been better if he had been able to cite her expertise as Dr Kate Coleman of Keep Prisons Single Sex kpssinfo.org in order to counter Andrew Doyle saying he knew nothing of the head injury stats. It felt to me that this important point was easily dismissed by AD's ignorance of the matter, and an opportunity lost to inform the audience of the work of this group.

1. Andrew Doyle's sign off that, "This is a sensitive issue." I hate this phrase. Sensitive to whom? Whenever this is said in this context, it is never the sensitivity or sensibilities of women and girls that is being referred to.. Anything can be a sensitive issue to just about anyone. It's just another phrase in the, "Be Kind (to utterly unreasonable people)" play book. This is about safeguarding, safety and dignity, not to mention, free speech, police overreach and the dubious actions of a once respected children's charity/organisation. Logic, statistics, science, law and millennia of female experience of violence at the hands of men are the issues, not "sensitivity".

The people at GB news would have all the women on this site banned from the internet and forced into the kitchen if they could.

To be fair, there are a number of commenters here or elsewhere who would have us all banned from the internet and forced into gulags for re-education if they could. Same impulse, just a different place for the imprisonment and re-education…

Ah, I'd forgotten that - you mean the person who also left the Lib Dems and Greens under a cloud, and then modded Reddit and that appears to have come to a sticky end too?

Who's married to a person who writes fiction about paedophillic fantasies?

Right enough, that person has done a lot of advising - despite not appearing to have much in the way of communication skills or qualifications.

I mean if we are going to go down that route, how do you feel about GG implementing policies influenced by someone who has 80 pages of investigation write up declaring them incompetent and incapable of understanding safguarding.

Thats a worry yes?

Are we back to the perfect source argument again?

The girlguides have abandoned safguarding and seemingly their social media policy too as that was apparently the grounds fir firing the two leaders whi brought this to attention a few years ago.

That remains true no matter who says it.

Stonewall and Co and police also refused to give a statement or interview.

They have no interest in setting the record straight clearly. . What does that tell you

Some people feel very strongly that this is information that needs to be kept out of the public sphere.

Thanks for providing the information and helping us all have those handy statistics.

Absolutely appalled that a woman writing to complain/enquire about safeguarding ends up being interviewed by police under caution. Girl guides can't sink much lower after this. I hope people are leaving in droves.

Looking forward to watching this. Why aren't Channel 4 all over this? They've left Stonewall haven't they? Why aren't BBC all over this now that so much clear evidence is available? What is it going to take for women to stop being so disrespected by our national fucking broadcaster? Like women aren't half the fucking nation. It really sickens me that another aspect of this scandal isn't headline news every other day.

So male sex offenders with a GRC bump up the female sex offender stats and the best we can say is that these "male transgender" stats are the bare minimum.

The people at GB news would have all the women on this site banned from the internet and forced into the kitchen if they could.

Yes, I'm sure they all have their wives chained in the kitchen, barefoot. Other than the women of course, after work they chain themselves in the kitchen.

Just pointing out the owners of GB news (Andrew Cole and Mark Schneider) are borderline fascists who employed a murdoch fox news propagandist as their CEO.

Remember, the enemy of my enemy is a problem for later, not a friend.

The people at GB news would have all the women on this site banned from the internet and forced into the kitchen if they could.

Oops, sorry about posting that twice. It said it hadn't been sent, then turned up in duplicate.