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Val McDermid

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Cleopatracat · 23/01/2022 14:11

Could anyone tell me is Val McDermid gender critical? I see she is speaking at the lesbian lives conference in Cork where the keynote speaker is a transwoman www.ucc.ie/en/lesbianlives2022/

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LaChanticleer · 23/01/2022 20:13

they don't read (about) it

I doubt they read anything though, to be fair @MilkGoatee

Abhannmor · 23/01/2022 19:21

But McDermids transgender psycho killer is really a victim driven to murder by the cruel uncaring NHS. So maybe she is a TRA heroine still. Personally I prefer a spine tingling ghost story to her buckets of gore and torture porn.

Indiana2021 · 23/01/2022 19:11

is one of the tedious group of professional Scotspersons.

This made me laugh Grin KimikosNightmare
I know exactly the type you mean!
I wonder if they have it on their CV??? Wink

KimikosNightmare · 23/01/2022 18:58

There are recent reviews on Good Reads- within last 6 months to last 4 years.

The fact the killer is transgender is barely mentioned. Where there is criticism it's mainly of the gratuitous torture porn or the leaden prose. Here's a couple of examples.

Reading his acts by the light of such mute traces as he left behind him, the police became aware that latterly he must have loitered. And the reason which governed him is striking; because at once it records—that murder was not pursued by him simply as a means to an end, but also as an end for itself

Kevin made a face as his taste buds clenched on the strong bitter coffee that lurked under a swirl of foam that looked more like industrial effluent than a cappuccino

ScreamingMeMe · 23/01/2022 18:46

So the keynote speaker isn't just any old transwoman...

"One of the keynote speakers at a lesbian conference at the University of Cork is a male who identifies as a lesbian and has a history of campaigning against rape relief centres"

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1485150457261707266?s=20

"S. Stryker, editor of Trans Studies Quarterly, discusses porn with a "precocious teenage lesbian", and dedicates the rest of his op-ed to drumming up more customers for PornHub.

"“Hey, what's that bulge you got there?"

Hosted on Duke University Press.@DukeU
@DukePress

twitter.com/yatakalam/status/1266691577562329088?s=20

MilkGoatee · 23/01/2022 18:39

The interesting thing is that the killer in The Mermaid's Singing may be a transwoman but was refused one or more times to have GRS by the medical establishment. Which is what caused the issues coming to light in the book.

Based on that book alone, I cannot understand that she's not been terf-ified by the TRA community. But maybe the book is so old by now they don't read (about) it. I think I read it mid 90s, and it'd been out a few years already by then.

RepentMotherfucker · 23/01/2022 18:34

@Viviennemary

She is a sensible modest person not like some who love to shout their mouth off no matter whom they offend and what damage they do.
There you go. Talking about yourself again Grin
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/01/2022 17:30

@Theeyeballsinthesky

As far as I’m aware she’s full on TWAW (signed this twitter.com/valmcdermid/status/1311308245554933760?s=21) like a depressingly large number of successful older lesbians in long term settled relationships (see also Nancy Kelly, baronesses barker & hunt) she seems completely unbothered by the impact of TWAW on younger lesbians.
That was my impression and that she is strongly minded that TWAW.
Jewel1968 · 23/01/2022 17:12

@signalbox yep think that clip is it

KimikosNightmare · 23/01/2022 17:03

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@KimikosNightmare.
Her wealth might not be affected if she supported a GC position but her comfort would significantly be affected.[/quote]
I don't think there is the slightest possibility McDermid supports a radical feminist gender critical view.

She doesn't have to of course. I personally couldn't care less what Val McDermid thinks about anything.

I'm just slightly puzzled at posts like yours which seem to suggest she would if she could but it would be so difficult. Many women who have nothing remotely resembling the wealth, privilege, influence, friends in high places have stated their case.

ScreamingMeMe · 23/01/2022 16:49

I've read The Mermaids Singing and one I can't remember the title of, about a tv personality that kidnapped, tortured and murdered girls. Both horrifically violent. That was enough for me! I don't think I've read anything comparable to them since.

LaChanticleer · 23/01/2022 16:41

Friend of mine who’s an academic in the US told me that the American transwoman keynote speaker at that conference about lesbian lives (hollow laughter) charges around 1000 US dollars to give these speeches, plus Business class travel expenses. On top of a pretty high academic salary.

DontLikeCrumpets · 23/01/2022 16:34

@KimikosNightmare.
Her wealth might not be affected if she supported a GC position but her comfort would significantly be affected.

DontLikeCrumpets · 23/01/2022 16:29

@cleopatracat Upton Sinclair:' It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding'

Nail meet hammer

KimikosNightmare · 23/01/2022 16:23

@ThatsWhenTheCannibalismStarted

Kimiko that series is free on Prime. I watched that episode recently and oh god Shock
I haven't read the book or seen the series.

The only McDermid I've read was a collection of recycled short stories blatantly and cynically marketed at the thrillers/ murders/ ghost stories for Christmas but where only 2 stories had any connection with Christmas. And her take on Northanger Abbey- which was dreadful.

RoyalCorgi · 23/01/2022 16:23

I started listening to audio book of The Mermaids Singing. I was so horrified by the descriptions of torture that I had to stop.

I wonder why she hasn't been cancelled with a plot like that.

ThatsWhenTheCannibalismStarted · 23/01/2022 16:09

Kimiko that series is free on Prime. I watched that episode recently and oh god Shock

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/01/2022 15:41

@Viviennemary

She is a sensible modest person not like some who love to shout their mouth off no matter whom they offend and what damage they do.
Can you square that with the plot line above- which was televised as the first (?) episode of Wire In The Blood.

Quite a popular show I believe, millions of viewers would have seen that piece of inclusivity.

KimikosNightmare · 23/01/2022 15:34

@Cleopatracat

If she was "a sensible modest person not like some who love to shout their mouth off no matter whom they offend and what damage they do" then surely she would have defended JK Rowling and decried the horrible vicious misgynistic attacks on her?
Which she hasn't. Despite JKR previously having defended her.
KimikosNightmare · 23/01/2022 15:33

@Cleopatracat

Thanks everyone, it seems to me that she is unconsciously GC but won't go there because Upton Sinclair:' It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding'
Really? McDermid must be an extremely wealthy woman by now. She's in the same category as JK Rowling and Jordan Peterson. They won't get cancelled by their publishers because they bring in too much money. McDermid wouldn't risk anything commercially by speaking up if she wanted to.

She hasn't- she hasn't , as far as I can find, spoken up for JKR on any level.

ThePrionOne · 23/01/2022 15:31

Thanks for the link, Signalbox. That’s interesting to watch. Since the signing of the above letter, I’d assumed she was full on TWAW, but maybe she has a more nuanced view.

TheWeeDonkey · 23/01/2022 15:23

@Viviennemary

She is a sensible modest person not like some who love to shout their mouth off no matter whom they offend and what damage they do.
Stop being mean about Owen Jones, he's just a child.
Signalbox · 23/01/2022 15:13

@Jewel1968

I seem to remember her on Question Time years ago saying something like if she were young today she had no doubt she would find herself being drawn to trans view of thing. As a young person she was stereotypical male in her appearance which later translated to being a lesbian. Her view seemed to be that it was risky and that some people are just more masculine than society expects and that is fine. So my impression was gender critical. But that was a few years ago. Maybe 5 years
Was it this…

mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/931302121558876161

Cleopatracat · 23/01/2022 15:09

If she was "a sensible modest person not like some who love to shout their mouth off no matter whom they offend and what damage they do" then surely she would have defended JK Rowling and decried the horrible vicious misgynistic attacks on her?

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Viviennemary · 23/01/2022 14:59

She is a sensible modest person not like some who love to shout their mouth off no matter whom they offend and what damage they do.