When the lawsuits come, who will be held responsible and why?

So won’t say anything here that would affect your appeal but my support for you and your family is here

Teachers for example. How would they be able to say they didn't know?

School staff will be out of a job PDQ if SLT proclaim that transgirls are girls but staff say, No, Andrew, your name is not Andrea and you are not getting changed in the girls' changing room. It's a fine thing to stand up for your principles but if you lose your job your principles won't house and feed your own children.

The medicines watchdog who licence things, NICE isnt it? something like that and then they in turn will attack the manufactures.

It is the MHRA that licence drugs not NICE. But puberty blockers are not licenced for this use so it is down to the doctors who prescribe them off-licence. The manufacturers are clear unless they can be shown to be illegally promoting drugs for this use.

There are many institutions that are supposed to be safeguarders or neutral where people have clearly been acting as activists within them, driving this ideology and targeting those who speak out, especially in relation to child transitioning and to removing safeguarding around women and girls' safe spaces and doing a demolition job on girls' attitudes to their own boundaries. It feels like scandals within the church or Scouts, the BBC and MPs in years gone by.

I think it’s such a shame trans ideology has attached themselves to and ultimately taken over gay rights (like a Ophiocordyceps unilateralis)

When this all goes to shit, so many gay rights charities will be left like a deflated balloon and have to start again from scratch.

I think it will be doctors first, then 'therapists'. Tho do think schools can be targeted when they 'affirm' without telling parents, I can't see how this is legal?

Governments will need major actions to hold them to account? I dont know much about this area, but cant governments protect themself by declareing what they do 'legal'?
So it would take some kind of group action in the EU, national courts?

Hopefully once the lawsuits start, the insurance companies will remove cover for these areas from doctors indemnity insurance. If that happens, you won't find any doctors willing to prescribe puberty blockers at any cost.

The difference between the time of JS and now, which may be helpful, is that there soooo much online archived evidence and screen shots.

Emails from schools, nhs, psychotherapists, websites etc.

Twitter feeds. Adverts. Etc

I was talking to a friend yesterday about celebrities (and people in power/decision makers) who had managed to get away with dreadful behaviour (whether it be negligence or conspiratorial).

JS can up and we couldn’t think of anyone who was reprimanded or convicted of anything as a result of from him being given free access to children/young women, or even being given the keys to a hospital etc. But people were voicing concerns at the time - a relative was a nurse at the time, and it was common knowledge that this man was not to be left alone at any time with patients or staff. They knew he was not a safe person around children - yet he had the keys to the hospital to come and go at will. People who raised concerns (seemed to be mostly older women) were called trouble-makers, fools, idiots, out of touch, etc.

So - decision makers, lobby groups, medical staff, parents, teachers… it’s like pass the parcel of responsibility.

I could say many things, but we are in the middle of a formal complaint with our daughter’s school (appeal heard last week) so I won’t, but where activist teachers have driven school policy and intentionally ignored clinical advice against affirming, and made baseless accusations to social services that parents following watchful waiting (on the back of clinical advice) have put their child “at the threshold for child protection”, they should absolutely be held accountable for their actions.

There’s a difference between staff following school policy as dictated to them, and the staff actively driving that policy and abandoning basic child safeguarding.

It was only a matter of time.

The thing that worries me here though is that with things like the SW training thr get out clause is written onto the paperwork. So I do worry that anyone who's done this , will effectively walk away unharmed. I mean I don't think that people who blindly went ahead with things and Just blocked/ignored anyone raising concerns should go un punished. But the big guns really need to be held accountable

The medicines watchdog who licence things, NICE isnt it? something like that and then they in turn will attack the manufactures.

I am thinking thats what happened in the end for Thalidomide, it was blamed on GSK etc and they had to pay out.

but then this also involves mental health not just puberty blockers, I think the mental health and adviced treatment path minus the drug angle will go straight to government and stonewall and mermaids etc.

like the spidermen pointing at each other meme.

mobile.twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1484893201173417985

Puberty blockers first up for litigation.

Good.

Oh, I think we need a robust national safeguarding body to regulate all organisations and ensure rigorous safeguarding/whistleblowing policies are maintained.

I would also like to see some kind if guidelines or basic standards drawn up. For things like interviews and training. So any companies or whatever undergoing equality training and any TV interviews etc, well if those doing it cant achieve basics such as definitions of terms ( not circular ones ) and if they cant provide verified facts , so inner circle unregulated no control group style surveys being unsuitable fir instance then it doesn't meet the standards and therfore doesn't go ahead.

I would love to see those media organisations and individuals who silenced women's voices and heavily promoted the 'affirmation or suicide' narrative to parents brought to account.

Sadly, in the digital age, it is easy to delete and deny your history. We never said that, say the newspapers and magazines. Look through our (now digital) archive - not a trace! We were always on the right side of history.

I just hope that everyone starts realising that stuff on the Internet is ther forever. There will be no walking away quietly.

I truly hope that everyone complicit is held accountable fir the damage to the children. Police , Tavistock and mermaids and stonewall hopefully being top of the list

I mean 'actors' in the sense of 'participant', to clarify.

What I really want now is a massive enquiry into the Police's institutionalised, apparently entrenched misogyny. That covers both the horrendous actions of so many police staff and the persecution of women by malicious actors.

Schools who transition children in secret will be vulnerable. It's a clear beach of the Children Act that only the courts can remove parental rights. There have been several incidents where parents have wanted to challenge schools in the courts, but with their vulnerable child at the centre, they've subsequently decided not to.

Another area where teachers will be vulnerable are those who run LGBT groups. Unplanned, off the cuff, mixed age discussions about LGBT issues. A poster recently asked people to imagine the reaction if a teacher decided to run a heterosexual group for years 7 - 13.
This is in breach of the DfE SRE guidelines on discussing sex in schools. If no parental consent is sought (and even if it is) teachers are opening themselves up to charges of grooming children and other serious sexual offences if the discussions include sexual matters with children below the age of consent.
Teachers are fools to get involved and school leaderships are failing in their duty of care to students and staff by allowing them.

But... Stonewall and the other lobby groups want them so fear rules rather than child safeguarding as usual.

• in a wider sense, Stonewall will be an easy scapegoat. It's almost set up to be that way.

This is why the Scottish teachers were worried, iirc, but I can't remember the body that had complained about the guidelines given to schools ... basically they said that recommending teachers didn't share important news with parents (like 'transitioning') was potentially leaving teachers open to future lawsuits.

It might not be so much people being held accountable.

I would like to see jk Rowling publicly beatified once this is over!! I would like to see her on Oprah!! I would like to see documentaries on how she was right and I want her to be on Graham Norton and johnathan Ross (I know she is shy, but I have heard her on radio 4 - on the museum of curiosity she was marvellous and I think Bridget Christie was on too and tried sniping, but was magnificently rebutted. She was also in the Simon Armitage's shed, and it was a lovely episode.)

I would like to see Sharon Davies, Martina navratilova etc rewarded,maybe with specific women in sports trophies named after them?

But most of all, more than anything, I want to go and see Father Ted the Musical, I want to see glinner on telly talking about other things and writing a comedy starring James dreyfus that wins a bafta, and getting a really lovely, funny, clever girlfriend. I want happy endings for everyone, really.

Beyond an investigation into Mermaids and susie green, a restructure of stonewall, a couple of doctors being disbarred and a few plastic surgeons being put in prison, I don't know really what else we could do except sigh in relief that our children are safe.