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Dad taking daughters into the ladies or disabled toilets

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MattDillonsEyebrows · 22/01/2022 14:32

If a dad was on his own with two daughters ages 4 & 5, would you have an issue with him going into the ladies toilets with them? He says he would call out, that he is a man, and coming in with his daughters and would stay in a cubicle, and also call out when leaving the cubicle. But obviously he would need to use the sinks to wash hands.

Or would you suggest he uses the disabled toilets instead?

The reason he doesn't want to use the mens, is a) them having to walk past urinals and strange men peeing, and b) due to the all too common state of men's toilets in general and even the sit down toilet usually has pee all over the seat and is generally disgusting and he doesn't want to subject his daughters to this.

I personally wouldn't have an issue with this because I agree with his reasons for not wanting to take his daughters in there, but obviously his presence would more than likely make some women feel uncomfortable which he would not want to do.

Disabled toilet is obviously another option, but having seen some of the disabled toilet threads on here, that would also cause an issue if a disabled person was waiting. Obviously a child, is unlikely to be able to wait.

Please nobody retort with 'well the fact that men's toilet's are filthy isn't the women's problem' or similar as, whilst I agree with this sentiment, unfortunately they do tend to be gross and changing that would take huge societal change which let's face it, is not likely to happen soon.

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inheritancetrack · 22/01/2022 23:04

Do baby changing rooms have a toilet and wash basin?

Helleofabore · 22/01/2022 23:04

Yes Hoover, I am another who has had to have the pram stuck in the open door, all while dealing with period flooding. Any person who has had to take a baby out by themselves in a pram when there is no family toilet will have had the door jammed open.

I have had to take my mother in a wheelchair into normal toilets with the wheelchair jammed in the door as I had my hands full keeping her steady. Because there was no accessible toilets. It does happen.

People who push the ‘they just want to pee’ agenda tend to either never have experienced dealing with other uses for toilets before, and the issues of prams etc.

Whatwouldscullydo · 22/01/2022 23:03

Personally I wouldn't have an issue with it - he's not identifying as a woman or posing a threat

And the other women and little girls know this how?

You don't think husbands and fathers can pose a threat?

Don't you think the fact he even thinks it OK is a huge red flag with regards to whether he poses a threat?

Please let us all know the give away this man is safe please. You could save so many people witg this gift

catfunk · 22/01/2022 22:58

Personally I wouldn't have an issue with it - he's not identifying as a woman or posing a threat.

I think it'd be more damaging for the young girls to walk past a row of penises at eye level at urinals than it is damaging for women to have a polite father in the female loos for a legitimate reason.

Barbarantia · 22/01/2022 22:57

Men should get positive comments from other men on what great dads they are.

I find this infuriating.

One of my communities refused to put potties in the men's but was puzzled as to why men kept nipping into the ladies and they couldn't fanthom why they found potties in the men's. Dads being dads is a good thing and the more they do it the less willies get dangled and flashed. Not that many like to swing them around anyway!

Helleofabore · 22/01/2022 22:56

BlueberryCheezecake

Have you ever taken a child to the toilet?

I have not seen a male take their daughter into a female toilet. I have also not seen an opposite sex carer take their charge into the toilet when they are the opposite sex.

Next you will be telling us these are very common occurrences. They are not.

You have your very own agenda to push here.

No. Males take their girls to the male toilet, complete with wipes to clean the seat. When the child is old enough they send her in by herself and stand outside. They may ask for a woman going in to keep an eye out, I have been asked this numerous times.

HamCob · 22/01/2022 22:55

@KurtWilde

I'd have absolutely no problem with this. Better that than he send them in alone or take them into the gents.

One of my neighbours who's a single dad to a 3yo daughter, actually asked me this question a short while ago and I gave him the answer above.

So far no one has had an issue, in fact he mentioned he's had a few positive comments from women saying what a lovely dad to take her in.

Well you don't get to speak for the rest of womankind. THIS IS NOT FUCKING OK!
bootdilemma21 · 22/01/2022 22:54

@HooverIsAlwaysBroken

I used to have the cubicle door open or slightly open when I had a sleeping baby in a pram. Sometimes there was no accessible loo (I used the ones with baby change), sometimes I just really needed to go urgently as my bladder wasn’t that strong after giving birth.

I would have been mortified if a strange man came in and saw me. And I wouldn’t have had the time to finish, wipe myself and get out if he “called out”.

He really shouldn’t be there.

Me too. With twins, I couldn't fit the pram in the cubicle, so I frequently had to wedge it in the door and leave the door half open. Why is this even a debate? So fucking depressing. Just give us our space and leave us be, for the love of god. Is it really too much to ask?
twelly · 22/01/2022 22:52

This is a dilemma, I said earlier that in my view if there is no alternative then the disabled toilets would be the most appropriate. In an ideal world this is not the first answer. I understand the objections to this but they are not always used and we are not talking about the toilets being occupied for a lengthy time period.

Barbarantia · 22/01/2022 22:50

@Bakewelltart987 no women don't pee openly in urinals. But they do sometimes leave cubicle doors open or come out with bloody hands.

KurtWilde · 22/01/2022 22:49

I'd have absolutely no problem with this. Better that than he send them in alone or take them into the gents.

One of my neighbours who's a single dad to a 3yo daughter, actually asked me this question a short while ago and I gave him the answer above.

So far no one has had an issue, in fact he mentioned he's had a few positive comments from women saying what a lovely dad to take her in.

grapewine · 22/01/2022 22:48

Nope. If they're old enough he waits outside the toilet for them, otherwise he takes them into the men's.

bythere · 22/01/2022 22:48

@Goldbar "On the privacy/dignity point, as a society we do not consider that young children have the same requirements for single-sex spaces to preserve their dignity as grown adults. Neither is it considered that the presence of young children of the opposite sex infringes the dignity of adults."

Exactly, it's having adults of the opposite sex together that is the problem and violation of privacy, not adults and small children.

Whatwouldscullydo · 22/01/2022 22:46

I really don't see how people can have an issue with it he can't see you through a locked cubic door

What about all the unaccompanied girls now then? The ones who can't rely on a female only space because instead of factoring in some time and a fiver to grab a coffee somewhere with nore suitable facilities, a dad decided he was too special to do what the mums do, and turned a women's loo into a mixed sex space.

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 22/01/2022 22:45

I used to have the cubicle door open or slightly open when I had a sleeping baby in a pram. Sometimes there was no accessible loo (I used the ones with baby change), sometimes I just really needed to go urgently as my bladder wasn’t that strong after giving birth.

I would have been mortified if a strange man came in and saw me. And I wouldn’t have had the time to finish, wipe myself and get out if he “called out”.

He really shouldn’t be there.

Bakewelltart987 · 22/01/2022 22:34

@Wasabiprawns

Think of it the other way - would it be ok for a mum to take her son into the men's toilet? Not really.
No but them woman don't pee openly in urinals unless am missing something.
Bakewelltart987 · 22/01/2022 22:29

I would be fine with this he has young girls and I wouldn't want them seeing grown men peeing in the fellas toilets.
I really don't see how people can have an issue with it he can't see you through a locked cubic door.

LittleBrenda · 22/01/2022 22:22

Fathers often send their little girls from 5/6 onwards into the female toilets and the reason they usually feel comfortable doing this is because there are no men in there.
Yes, and the OP's dh will never ever be able to do that now. Even when his dd is 13 she won't be able to go to the toilet as he will know that there could be a man in there. The sort of man who thinks it's ok to go in women's toilets.

bootdilemma21 · 22/01/2022 22:18

@MattDillonsEyebrows

If a dad was on his own with two daughters ages 4 & 5, would you have an issue with him going into the ladies toilets with them? He says he would call out, that he is a man, and coming in with his daughters and would stay in a cubicle, and also call out when leaving the cubicle. But obviously he would need to use the sinks to wash hands.

Or would you suggest he uses the disabled toilets instead?

The reason he doesn't want to use the mens, is a) them having to walk past urinals and strange men peeing, and b) due to the all too common state of men's toilets in general and even the sit down toilet usually has pee all over the seat and is generally disgusting and he doesn't want to subject his daughters to this.

I personally wouldn't have an issue with this because I agree with his reasons for not wanting to take his daughters in there, but obviously his presence would more than likely make some women feel uncomfortable which he would not want to do.

Disabled toilet is obviously another option, but having seen some of the disabled toilet threads on here, that would also cause an issue if a disabled person was waiting. Obviously a child, is unlikely to be able to wait.

Please nobody retort with 'well the fact that men's toilet's are filthy isn't the women's problem' or similar as, whilst I agree with this sentiment, unfortunately they do tend to be gross and changing that would take huge societal change which let's face it, is not likely to happen soon.

What would he do if he needed to use the loo himself, or take a male child to the loo? Do that. Not sure why filthy toilets are relevant to the fact that his children are female.
Goldbar · 22/01/2022 22:12

@Blackbird1234

Goldbar - I suppose if the carer/parent is going to the loo themselves/distracted/occupied with washing their hands or something, making the child briefly vulnerable. I don't personally see an issue with any of it as where I live the majority of public bathrooms are mixed sex anyway and there are rarely any issues, so mainly just commenting on the logic but I can see that the risk is lessened as the child would be accompanied, thanks 😊
The risk is much greater for an unaccompanied child in the female toilets if it's suddenly OK for men to wander in and out.

Fathers often send their little girls from 5/6 onwards into the female toilets and the reason they usually feel comfortable doing this is because there are no men in there.

LaChanticleer · 22/01/2022 22:11

No he really shouldn’t go in to the Ladies.

Blackbird1234 · 22/01/2022 22:07

Nellodee, my mum used to do that to me too hahahah

Blackbird1234 · 22/01/2022 22:07

Goldbar - I suppose if the carer/parent is going to the loo themselves/distracted/occupied with washing their hands or something, making the child briefly vulnerable. I don't personally see an issue with any of it as where I live the majority of public bathrooms are mixed sex anyway and there are rarely any issues, so mainly just commenting on the logic but I can see that the risk is lessened as the child would be accompanied, thanks 😊

Nellodee · 22/01/2022 21:59

Completely missing the point, but am I the only person whose parents suspended them an inch over public toilets so they didn’t have to sit on pissy seats?

Goldbar · 22/01/2022 21:59

@Blackbird1234

Some arguments I've seen (not just on this thread) are that it could be dangerous for a man to be in a female toilet because "god knows what his motives are", so then wouldn't it be even more dangerous to take a little girl into the mens loos? If it were me, I would probably use the disabled loos as quickly as possible as long as no one else was waiting for them.
The child is accompanied by their parent/carer, so where is the danger?
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