Caitlyn Jenner says it's not complicated - women's sport

"TRA's don't want equality. They want to destroy anything they can NEVER actually be or have and anyone who refuses to pretend the emperor is wearing clothes"

And that is the heart of it for sure... it is about "in" group winning, not about making anyone who is sufferings life better.

The basis of conservatism is:

The "in" group (of conservatives) must be protected by the law, but not bound by it.

The other "out" group (of everyone else/the poor) must be bound by that law but not protected by it.

And the trans ideology is based on the same conceptual framework, anyone "in" can do no wrong, anyone "out" is automatically and consciously wrong on purpose and they must be destroyed socially and financially.

It is while real left wingers find it all so distasteful... it has the tang of religious authoritarianism to it.

@BlueberryCheezecake so are you saying that you think its fair for transwomen to compete in women's categories?

Males competing in female sporting competitions is not 'equality', it's cheating.

It isn't equality to actively target female legal protections that are based on our sex so some males can shoehorn themselves into a sex class they can never actually belong to. That is male entitlement and male supremacy.

There is no surgery or hormones or mind over matter feelings that make it in any way acceptable to fuck women over to appease a group of men.

TRA's don't want equality. They want to destroy anything they can NEVER actually be or have and anyone who refuses to pretend the emperor is wearing clothes.

Caitlin may well be a hypocrite but the fact remains that male athletes who identify as women know full well that ,when they compete against women, they have an insurmountable advantage.

Completely agree with that notbad

Very much ‘one rule for me…’

What I personally find hypocritical is the way posters like Blueberry repeatedly admonish us for the way we talk about trans people and yet here they are criticising a trans person because it’s someone who doesn’t toe the party line.

A TRA poster not happy with the hypocrisy of a trans person, and now all of a sudden that makes Blueberry right and everyone else wrong. The irony 😆😆😆.

feck

Jenner may well have played comparatively against women before 2016…then realised how wrong it is and is now saying that it shouldn’t happen

So maybe not being hypocritical

But yeah…grasping at straws

(And is feverishly googling as we type )

That either/or is a trick question, right?

I didn’t know Caitlin Jenner played golf competitively against women. That’s news. Either they are a massive hypocrite or Blueberry is grasping at straws …. 😄

When was the last one Blueberry? I can only find stuff from 2016

That’s probably the last time

Jenner probably educated herself….and changed her mind

Yes, it does seem a bit odd, that's entirely my point.

I think the person saying it was a bit odd was politely saying they don't believe you. I think it's a bit odd that you didn't understand that, considering they asked for a source at the same time. Anyway, please do post a source for your claim that Caitlyn Jenner was competing in a woman's golf tournament in the same time period as saying that transwomen shouldn't compete in women's sports.

How is she opposing trans equality, BlueberryCheezecake? I thought trans people had the same rights in law as anyone else?

Doesn't change the fact that males who identify as women know full well that competing against women is totally unfair to the women. They know it is unfair but still choose to do it. Seems like cheating to me .

Jenner is a canny self-publicist who knows how to get herself on the news

mmm, Jenner's picked a side though haven't they? they side they know will play well with the public

tide's turning @BlueberryCheezecake . You might get left high and dry

Yes, it does seem a bit odd, that's entirely my point.

But whatever Jenner was saying in 2016 isn't really the point. The point is that people sometimes change their minds. Renee Richards campaigned to be allowed to play women's tennis after transition, but now says that this was unfair, and that males competing against women is wrong.

So is she not a "true trans" Blueberry? As she has a different opinion to the trans bigots?

So? She was making similar statements back then too.

I guess caitlin is playing golf as in friendly golf not competing?

You guess wrong, she competes in women's tournaments.

Because socially men and women do play with and against each other

I think the question being asked blue is if Jenner was playing social golf or playing as a woman in for profit /medals golf