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Female academic fired for loudness

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MogsBestestFurball · 21/01/2022 15:51

The sex was not included in the headline, but who would fire a man for being offensively loud...
www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jan/18/loud-academic-awarded-more-than-100000-for-unfair-dismissal

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CovidCorvid · 21/01/2022 16:52

@pawpatrolneedaunion

I have seen male professors have relationships with students, be openly sexist, racist, physically violent. None of them sacked.
Well they should be. While I agree that women shouldn’t be held to higher standards than men nobody should be repeatedly shouting at more junior staff and refusing to change.
pawpatrolneedaunion · 21/01/2022 16:33

I have seen male professors have relationships with students, be openly sexist, racist, physically violent. None of them sacked.

CorrBlimeyGG · 21/01/2022 16:25

The Sun (of all places!) gives more detail. She sounds like a pretty unpleasant person, who brushes off complaints by claiming she can't help the way she is.

I find her stereotyping of Jewish people as loud and boisterous as pretty offensive.

NumberTheory · 21/01/2022 16:24

The Guardian did an article last year when the ruling was made that explains a bit more about the case (but not much): www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/07/loud-academic-wins-unfair-dismissal-case-against-university

They didn’t find sex or race discrimination except in regards to one comment at a return to work meeting. But they did find the firing unfair and that seems like a big award (maybe not for a physicist?). So not sure what’s going on.

This article makes it sound like they fired her because she shouts at people and blames it on her ethnicity. Not sure I would want people to be able to use ethnicity as an excuse for shouting at people in the work place, but since the tribunal ruled the firing unfair suspect there’s a little more to it than that.

But I also wonder if maybe they may not have taken into account how she had to be when she started as the only female academic in the department and are now wanting rid of those characteristics as things have changed, but it’s unfair on her because she sort of needed to be like that to survive and trailblazer a path…

CorrBlimeyGG · 21/01/2022 16:21

What stood out to me was when she talked about her inability to moderate her voice. I immediately thought of neurodiversity

She claims it is due to her Jewish heritage, nothing to do with neurodiversity.

The university claims there were complaints from PhD students about her behaviour. It's not clear on the limited reporting that these complaints were about.

UltraVividLament · 21/01/2022 16:17

@ANameChangePresents

Bring your whole self to work, dog gimp mask and all. But don't be a loud woman, Heaven forfend.
Quite!

I see the university are still insisting that the tribunals have accepted "serious inaccuracies" as correct. I wonder how many judgements will be needed to resolve this??

CovidCorvid · 21/01/2022 16:09

She’s of eastern european origin and says it’s part of her ethnicity that she’s loud and comes across as shouty.

It’s hard to know what’s actually happened here. Is she just loud or has she been shouting at colleagues. 🤷🏻‍♀️

ANameChangePresents · 21/01/2022 16:08

Bring your whole self to work, dog gimp mask and all. But don't be a loud woman, Heaven forfend.

MogsBestestFurball · 21/01/2022 16:05

What stood out to me was when she talked about her inability to moderate her voice. I immediately thought of neurodiversity. As a neurodiverse woman I have often found that I have been held to higher standards of behaviour than male colleagues, I am expected to know better as I'm a woman. The article does not mention neurodiversity, that's just me projecting.

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EmmaH2022 · 21/01/2022 16:00

I would want to hear the voice of anyone fired for that

I can certainly imagine anyone being loud at work and I have politely asked people to lower their voice, which she says she can't - is that medical reasons?

But the uni are saying they fired her for other reasons anyway.

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