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Do people see centre left parties as more moral?

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ukipperMN · 20/01/2022 14:16

Hi,

I’m an ex-UKIP member who hasn’t been active in politics since we got brexit done, if I were to join another party and become active in politics again I’d likely join Richard Tice’s Reform Party or possibly the heritage party but I’ve no plans to join either at the moment or become politically active again.

I am watching the debate on self ID with interest but am not playing a part in it, just watching things unfold with interest and had some questions and wanted to hear people’s thoughts.

What I really don’t understand is why so many of the people so against self ID seem to want to only vote for parties that want self ID (lab/Lib/PC/SNP/Green etc). It’s not an accident that all major centre left parties support self ID, self ID is entirely consistent and compatible with the centre left’s ideology/world view. I also read somewhere (don’t know if it’s true) that women are more likely to vote for centre left parties than men are. In fact if only women voted I think we might have a Labour government and self ID would likely be law by now.

I wondered why this is and thought I would put my head above the parapet and ask. Do people (and feminists in particular) tend to see the centre left as the more moral position, the kinder, gentler more compassionate opinion to vote for?

I expect self ID will become law in the U.K. eventually and I think it is likely to become law in Scotland in the next year or so. And I think many feminists opposed to self ID will likely vote for the parties that make it law and vote for them again after it becomes law.

I’ve seen polls where certain policies poll very well but once people find out whose policies they are they go off the policy and say they will never vote for the party proposing the policy regardless. Likewise unpopular policies can become supported if the party proposing them is viewed favourably. It seems to be a moral perception where people see some parties are morally better than others. Would posters agree with that observation?

This is why I think self ID will become law regardless of how popular it is now. People see the parties committed to it as good and will eventually elect them regardless of what they promise to do.

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CatherinaJTV · 20/01/2022 15:09

ukipper MN - you can google these memes. They satirise the inhumanity of the right wing. The question was: do people see centre left parties as more moral, and the answer is yes, they do. With good reason, too.

atee · 20/01/2022 14:59

"self ID is entirely consistent and compatible with the centre left’s ideology/world view."

Utter nonsense, what does a voter of the far right know about the people in the centre left?

Self ID is something promoted by the facists who fooled you into thinking reich-wing politicians care about you and your family.

Left wing people prefer treating humans, male or female, as individuals. This grouping people into label sets and judging them on that is not a left wing thing, it is standard right wing "divide and rule" tactics that you fell for.

ukipperMN · 20/01/2022 14:58

@CatherinaJTV

Yes. It's no coincidence there are the Republican Jesus memes.
Sorry your comment is lost on me. What are the Republican Jesus memes?

If you’re talking about the Republican Party in the United States then I’d say that they are a party of the moderate/mainstream centre right in America and I would expect them to be broadly against self ID in principle and their centre left opponents in the American Democratic Party to be much more in favour of it. And yes that’s not a coincidence, it’s the result of the ideology and principles that underpin each party. Although I have no idea what that has to do with “Jesus memes”. You’ll have to forgive me I’m middle aged and probably not up to date with internet lingo.

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jellyfrizz · 20/01/2022 14:56

It’s not an accident that all major centre left parties support self ID, self ID is entirely consistent and compatible with the centre left’s ideology/world view.

Would you mind explaining this? What do you see as the centre left's ideology/world view?

catzwhiskas · 20/01/2022 14:52

And definitely not for any party that thinks Brexit was a great idea and has worked well.

catzwhiskas · 20/01/2022 14:50

If the parties concerned were indeed “good” then what the hell are they doing propagating lies and changing laws that will profoundly affect women and girl, when male violence is right up there as a huge problem around the world. Spoiled my vote last time and would do so again.

CatherinaJTV · 20/01/2022 14:46

Yes. It's no coincidence there are the Republican Jesus memes.

ThePrionOne · 20/01/2022 14:23

“self ID is entirely consistent and compatible with the centre left’s ideology/world view.”

Can you explain how? I can’t think of any other policy that is equivalent to allowing people to choose whichever protected group they prefer, regardless of facts. I’d be very interested to hear what you feel is comparable or gives precedent.

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