Sperm stealing and men's rights - what do you think?

And a further question:

If it was possible to prove - eg clear messages from the woman admitting to it - should it be criminalised?

I think any man who doesn’t wish to create a pregnancy should be using a condom. Having condom free sex isn’t a need, it’s a choice, so I don’t think anyone saying “I was conned into giving her my semen” would stand a chance because there is literally no need for him to not use a condom. Her saying “I’m on the pill” doesn’t remove his choice- he can still choose to use a condom. And everyone knows the pill isn’t 100% reliable even when taken correctly. The onus is on every man to control where his semen goes.

Any lie that is so egregious that it would cause the other person to change the decision to have sex is a violation of free and informed consent.

I wish there was a way for the law to reflect that, but in reality, it would be incredibly difficult to prosecute.

That said, any man who has condom free sex with a woman he doesn’t know well enough to trust about birth control is an idiot. He also certainly doesn’t know her well enough to trust her to be having sex without protection from disease.

A woman isn’t on any contraception, asks man to wear condom, man doesn’t, woman becomes pregnant.

Would you say ‘tough she should have taken her own precautions such as going on the pill’?

Or would you be furious with the man for lying?

I was kind of thinking about this the other day after reading about the rapper Drake. Apparently he had consensual sex with a condoms and then afterwards went into the bathroom, removed the filled condom and put hot sauce in it to kill the sperm. Then his sex partner went into the bathroom and injected the semen into her and started screaming about the burns. Apparently she is now trying to sue him?!

I think as a society Wet need to reset the view of unwanted/unexpected pregnancy. So It's not the woman's fault she gets pregnant, it's the man's fault for irresponsible ejaculation. We need to teach our mates that their reproductive autonomy ends the second they ejaculate into a woman.

It should ABSOLUTELY be a crime if a woman digs out a used condom out of the trash and used it to create a life wether it's for a link to the genetics or financial reasons. That is a horrific thing to do. And it's not the same as a a woman saying she is on the pill but not being on the pill. The man, if he does not want a child, should either abstain, have a vasectomy or use a condom and spermicide and dispose of them securely. To say " but she said she was on the pill" is a cop out that just shifts blame to the woman

This also raises the issue of the male pill.

We all know it's possible, but no let's experiment on women's sexual health before compromising a man's virility.

A man could wear a condom if he's that worried too.

Both partners take their own responsibility for contraception, so you have belts & braces protection. If you consent to sexual activity, then you consent to potential conception and the consequences of that. Don’t have penetrative sex if you don’t want to be responsible for either a termination or a co-parenting relationship.

Surely most of the risk of "spurgling" is on the woman.
She'll be the one raising a baby either on her own or with a husband who doesn't want the baby, who can leave of he wants and exes are notorious for dodging child maintenance. She might get normal health complications that any pregnant women can get.

It's really all risk on the woman. Men don't really need to worry about this, not seriously.

There's also the fact that "oops DH I'm pregnant" and DH is overjoyed sometimes. Who doesn't love babies?

Bad people. That's who.
Bad people don't like babies.

Also, in a very very casual relationship the man would be stupid to take the word of a total stranger, but then, in a more serious relationship it's a different situation because there is a betrayal there. The two situations are totally different.

never heard of that but I think it's unlikely to ever be an offence legally as the man could wear a condom (and should).

It’s unworkable. The petition will go nowhere. You could potentially ask women to prove that they had a prescription for the pill, but then how do you distinguish between women forgetting once or twice and women deliberately not talking it?
Also, how could you tell whether a women lied and said ´It’s ok, I’m on the pill’ or told the truth and said ´I’m not on the pill, but I don’t mind risking it’. There are usually no witnesses to these conversations. Totally pointless petition.

I know someone who did it. I don’t see how it could be proven in court though. It can’t really go further than ‘she told me she was on the pill’ and ‘no I didn’t’.

Yes I do think it should be a serious crime, but how would you prove it? Accidents happen - how can you tell it’s not an accident?

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