Sperm stealing and men's rights - what do you think?

I'm not sure this will even be an issue as I think the majority of men see contraception purely as a women's issue.

About 10 years ago, I knew two women who were single in their 30's, both stable women in secure jobs, thinking about their biological clocks. They decided that, whilst they weren't going to actively try to get pregnant, they were going to stop taking precautions against it and see what happened.

They were completely honest with every man they slept with, "I am not using contraception, I am happy for you to do so if you want, but if I get pregnant I am keeping the baby'.

One wasn't in a relationship, had sex with different people, the other in a casual fwb situation with a man already in a relationship with someone else.

Not one man chose to use a condom.

One got pregnant, and now is a fab single mum, the other didn't and sadly won't have children now, as she's too old.

I think lying about bedingt on the pill should have the same legal consequences as secretly removing a condom while having sex.
Yeah, it might be hard to prove but that shouldn't make it legal

Lifeisnteasy child support is to support the child not the mother. A man who fathers a child having lied about wearing a condom (although that's visible, not sure how he'd lie about it... maybe pierced it or not put it on correctly) isn't guilty of a sexual offence any more than a woman lying about her contraception is.

Both parents should be responsible for any children they create regardless of whether they were mutually planned - for the child's sake, not the sake of the other parent!

It's the woman taking the physical health risks of pregnancy but its the child who suffers if either parent says "tough, I didn't plan you so I'm not paying towards feeding, clothing, housing and raising you"

Just like rape it's one person's word against another. So no real chance of convicting either. Just protect yourself and double contraception so use a condom and insist on implant only or no sex. That is my approach.

I would be very uncomfortable with any law that penalised women for the natural, healthy functions of our bodies. The natural outcome of intercourse for healthy men and women is that, at some frequency, the woman will become pregnant. Even tubal ligation is not 100% effective. It's not good if people (male or female) lie to their partners, especially about something so intimate and impactful. But even if no one lies, and everyone is behaving "responsibly" the reality is that there is a chance of pregnancy for any heterosexual coupling.

Do people not use condoms anymore? What happens if its not an unplanned pregnancy but an STI? Who would be at fault then?

I really think it would be much easier if we could treat sex partners as fully human people rather than adversaries and sex as something that can be mutually pleasurable rather than a transaction, but I'm old so I'm aware things have changed a lot. For the better? I'm not so sure.

If a female goes home with a male who lies about their fertility, she can then also take precautions after the event.

It's very simple for men really, if he doesn't want a pregnancy all he has to do is control what happens to his sperm, he can use a condom and dispose of it carefully, or he can keep it safe in his body and abstain from sex. Once he has deposited it in a woman's vagina there is a chance of pregnancy, but does it even belong to him any more, legally?He does have to be wary of the growing number of gangs of hormonal women roaming the streets in search of fresh, fertile semen of course, oh no wait, that's right, he doesn't.

Yes, it should be a serious crime. Women would be hypocrites if they say otherwise. I guess it would be difficult to prove.

If we're going down this road then...

"...any masturbatory emissions, where the sperm is clearly not seeking an egg, could be termed reckless abandonment."

I find this really difficult to care about, to be honest. In a world where women are regularly raped, murdered and otherwise abused by men, with shockingly few consequences for those men, bleating about sperm stealing feels like underhanded whataboutery, designed to distract from the real and pressing problem of male violence against women and girls.

No they have been together for over 20 years he cheats she probably does the same she got her man and her kids though so it's all good to her

I think men would be best served by campaigning for the development and widespread distribution of a male contraceptive pill.

Morally you can Compare splirglung to stealthing. This is where the man takes off a condom half way through sex without the woman's knowledge or consent. This is clearly assault because she hasn't consented to that specific act.

In the case of splurging, the man hasn't consented to that act in a similar way.

However evidentially I don't know how you'd prove it! The pill when taken correctly is 98% or something like that. But often people don't take it correctly.

With any vaginal sex with a man and a woman there is a risk of pregnancy.

So I'm torn!

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-cleared-judges-say-lying-18653327

If a man can get away with this, I see no reason why women can't lie about taking the pill and get away with it.
What your opinion on the matter, OP?

I met a woman in antenatal classes who is now a mother of three. Before they married her DH said he did not want children.

She "accidentally" fell pregnant with the first one. Negotiated a sibling. "Accidentally" fell pregnant with a third.

She has convinced him that the issue is that his sperm is so super strong it cannot be stopped by the pill and condoms. He's a man with an ego which is boosted by the idea of his super strong jizz.

He appears to have accepted this without question.

Having known her I will be warning my teenage sons that a woman who wants to get pregnant will get pregnant. If they do not want to be fathers then they need to supply their own condoms and put it on themself (she stabbed theirs through the packet with a pin!). And don't believe that she's on the pill, there might be pills there, they might look as though they are being taken, but it's very easy to chuck it down the loo rather than your throat.

But if we are purely focussing on pregnancy which is the point of this thread.

lifeisnteasy in your example, contraception does not have the same function as wearing a condom. The pill doesn't protect against disease.

It all comes down to proof doesn't it

My friend did it he used to force feed her the pill daily and check her mouth to make sure she took it she would retch it back up eventually she got pregnant they stayed together and had three children

Never occurred to him condoms were free

Or would you be furious with the man for lying?

Well I believe that's why Julian Assange got in so much trouble.

But it's glaringly incomparable.

"Barebacking" is a huge problem in the prostitution trade. Men take the condom off halfway through, don't care if they get the woman pregnant, they are getting another human pregnant and they can run off. The woman is left with an unwanted baby.

This scenario, "spurgling/spealing" the baby is wanted and it's the man who's not always wanted. It's more comparable to an act of self harm than harm onto another.

That said, any man who has condom free sex with a woman he doesn’t know well enough to trust about birth control is an idiot. He also certainly doesn’t know her well enough to trust her to be having sex without protection from disease.

Are women idiots for going home with men they barely know? And trusting them not to harm them?