Sperm stealing and men's rights - what do you think?

Who doesn't love babies?

Bad people. That's who.
Bad people don't like babies.

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say!
Embarrassing.

Vasectomy is the way to go for men who don’t want children, to be reversible later if they do. Given that they are so reluctant to wear condoms.

The pill is always portrayed as something very safe for example. did you see the surprised and `bger if women whe they realised that the risk of blood clot with the pill is much much higher than with the covid vaccine for example? Most women did NOT know how risky it is.

It is safe compared to pregnancy - that's the second bit of the sentence that people forget about. Like vaccines are safe compared to the disease they're protecting against. It's all balance of risk.

My impression is that a lot of UK law is about a proportional reaction to harm. A man deceiving a woman about contraception is putting her at significantly more risk (the extra risk of pregnancy), a woman doing the same to a man isn't putting him at any more risk than she is taking herself.

Morally, no, it's not right - but then neither are so many other things around sex - promising marriage, or cheating on someone.

To me the salient point is the extra risk, and that's all on the woman.

Obviously the exception to this is if one of the partners knows they have a sexually transmissible disease, and are thus putting their partner at increased risk if they lie about contraception (although again, given that it would be a barrier method, this is more likely to be a man putting a woman at risk than the other way round in mixed sex relationships)

Not been on MN for a while.

Interesting thread. Stealing sperm? Putting holes in condoms sneakily? What's the prevalence of women nabbing semen to get pregnant?

I'm female so can only speak from that perspective. But the number of blokes who were totally disinterested, reckless about contraception..
actively refusing to use condoms.

Men can walk away, pretty much. Totally different for women. maybe I've missed some context. I'm just not at all sure how any woman comes off lightly from pregnancy birth baby care etc etc...

Define 'on the pill'.

he used to force feed her the pill daily and check her mouth to make sure she took it. she would retch it back up. eventually she got pregnant they stayed together and had three children

Why would you want to have children with a man who behaves like that?

I agree with others, all sex carries risk of pregnancy.

But I am shocked that so many people accept a statement like "if you can't deal with pregnancy don't have sex - if someone said that in the opposite scenario of a man removing a condom people would freak out.

Are journalists supposed to post for material on here? I thought there was a "journo request" thing on twitter?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse. If I was in a long term relationship and someone said they didn’t believe I was taking the pill and might try and trick them into having a baby then I would be pretty hurt

No. Not being deliberately obtuse. That was how I read your post.

And no it’s not fucking wife work. I prefer to use the contraception and hate condoms therefore I would do that. If I was with someone and didn’t like using hormonal contraception I would expect them to use condoms without complaining

It’s called a relationship. And not always assuming that women are always hard done by

Good for you. I found 25 years of taking the pill every single night at the same time to prevent pregnancy was pretty onerous along with dealing with the side effects. Of which, I suffered significantly. Other methods did not work well with me. I am not alone on that score.

I did it obviously for my own benefit of not falling pregnant. I would feel pretty pissed off if my husband did not also take some responsibility as well, so that it wasn't totally my responsibility to ensure I was adequately covered 100% of the time. Considering other medications etc can reduce the effectiveness of the pill and over a 25 year period there were times when this happened.

If you choose to take sole responsibility in your relationship, that is your choice of course.

I’d also suggest there are some males who expects ‘only the female’ to take on ALL the side effects of the pill, including the potential long term adverse ones. After all those men think ‘it is only a pill’ or an implant or whatever- having to be done regularly by the woman. Putting their bodies at risk.

Not to defend men but I think this is an expecation for bth men and women. Many women actually have no idea of the risk they are taking. The pill is always portrayed as something very safe for example. did you see the surprised and `bger if women whe they realised that the risk of blood clot with the pill is much much higher than with the covid vaccine for example? Most women did NOT know how risky it is.
Same with many of the LT consequences of the pill.

No wonder men don't see the issue with it tbh!

I mean realistically in the event of an unplanned pregnancy in a casual relationship or ONS its the woman who's gonna be buggered isn't it? She goes through the pregnancy, the birth. Her employment is affected. The bloke can chose to have nothing to do with his child at all and there won't be much the mother can do about it. Which I'm sure this kind of man would be more than happy to do.

Really the only answer for men who don't want to be fathers is to take an active responsibility for their sexual health.

It would end many relationships? Wearing a condom

I think you are being deliberately obtuse. If I was in a long term relationship and someone said they didn’t believe I was taking the pill and might try and trick them into having a baby then I would be pretty hurt

And no it’s not fucking wife work. I prefer to use the contraception and hate condoms therefore I would do that. If I was with someone and didn’t like using hormonal contraception I would expect them to use condoms without complaining

It’s called a relationship. And not always assuming that women are always hard done by

My sex Ed to the DCs is that sex can result in pregnancy whatever precautions are taken. It goes with the territory as hopefully does the maturity to talk about contraception and any unexpected consequences. DD told that you can’t expect the man to either want or support any child; DS that while you can walk away emotionally you are very likely going to have pay and supporting the woman through whatever she chooses is part of being mature enough to have a relationship

My daughter has mentioned boys shes been with being quite happy to have sex without a condom…she refuses as obviously its not just pregnancy which is an issue

Following this (and prior….but now ive really ramped up my game) I've had a few conversations with ds2 about wearing a condom whether the woman is using the pill or not

A condom yes but that's not widely used in trusting relationships. Should every man accuse his partner of potentially lying to him and wear a condom every time? That would be the end of many relationships. Or should they trust them like a normal human would?

It would end many relationships? Wearing a condom?

Or should they trust like a normal human being?

So….. the sole source of contraception is laid on women in these relationships. The man has to do nothing at all, just enjoy.

And this poster suggests not wearing a condom will end the relationship? Well ok, if another form of male contraceptive is used.

Otherwise, I’d suggest that it is the lack of responsibility for taking equal share in something vitally important to the partnership that might end up causing issues in the relationship. Are other areas of the partnership as unequal, or just this one.

I’d also suggest there are some males who expects ‘only the female’ to take on ALL the side effects of the pill, including the potential long term adverse ones. After all those men think ‘it is only a pill’ or an implant or whatever- having to be done regularly by the woman. Putting their bodies at risk.

For what? Not wearing a bit of rubber during sex?

Yeah… all equal innit?

Wife work, innit?

What a warped view he has of women. That I imagine he's sharing through his music. Not a mentally healthy man, I hope women see this as sign to stay away from him.

I'm going to go against the grain here on the view that no method of contraception is 100% safe. I used the pill on its own and latterly we used condoms on their own. The only time I didn't use a contraceptive I became pregnant. If used properly condoms are very effective.

This is similar to me too. However, we used both for a years as well. For the simple reason that we wanted back up protection against pregnancy.

No single method is 100% safe and until mobile phones came with alarms, it was easy to get distracted and forget a pill if you were working late, out at work functions, or travelling. And no wet patches with condoms.

I did warn my 4 sons about predatory girls that didn’t care if they got pregnant and only wanted a meal ticket. It was meant to be over the top advice, it certainly struck home because none of them fathered any children before they got married.

And this financial abortion, sperm stealing stuff.

There's never any thought at all about the child. That however came about is their child.

It's usually about MONEY.

that says everything tbh.

The suggestion that stealing sperm is a widespread risk for men. And that it should be specifically made illegal and with harsh prison time.

There's zero thought, consideration, concern, pause, anything.

Around the fact that imprisoning Pg woman for years. It will be the child that pays the biggest price.

While zero interest in what wanted means in practice.

Frankly not interested.