Where are all the middle aged women who should be transitioning

Probably not, it was very simple, if you don't understand it then perhaps the problem lies with you.

Nah, it's a simple question of maths. If trans is something that happens to both sexes, equally, at the same stage in life, then where are all of the girls who are now the same age as the Caitlyn Jenners and Helen Belchers of this world - why aren't they transitioning now in middle age? And all of the teenage girls that are transitioning now - why don't they have male equivalents in the same number?

It's almost as if there are many reasons why a teenage girl would like to cease being a teenage girl - and why a teenage boy might wait until middle age (after career progression, for example) until they transition?

The hostility primarily takes place in the streets and classrooms.

Not in the media as you said in your earlier post then?

Of course I suspect you've never had to worry about someone kicking your head in becase they decided you were a 'fag' and don't know many LGBT people so perhaps it's something you are unaware of. That's called privilege.

Abigail Shier's book " Irreversable Damage " is a good read for those wondering why so many teenage girls are going down the transgender route

Can you post links to some of the hostility in the media barley?

Are we seeing that??

I just answered you, they came out younger so never got that far.

I don’t understand. Can you please explain.

It's very difficult to know what factors in a deeply transphobic society created the differences in prevalence or age of transition but we are now seeing that gender dysphoria appears to occur at similar levels for those born male and female and that the age of transition is also equalising.

they came out younger so never got that far.

You're saying that 30 or 40 years ago female transgender people outnumbered male? Really?

How do we define transphobia?

I think that's another of those terms which can't be defined. Along with 'gender identity', 'Living as a woman' and 'woman'.

Definitions are transphobic.

I think with younger trans boys, I have seen a very good point made by a female detransitioner who has pointed out the links with eating disorders and that a lot of these trans boys want to be just that - boys.

I do sometimes wonder if anyone asks them to picture themselves as a 45 year old man with baldness and stubble and middle-aged spread? Not as a 'gotcha', but a way of thinking about whether they actually want to be a man, or if it's something else they really want - to just not be themselves, to have a relationship with another 'boi' who will be gentle and kind because basically they are a girl and they don't see that anyone else will be able to give them that.

You haven't answered my questions barley.

What about middle-aged heterosexual women with children coming out as trans? Where are they? Most of the middle-aged men who decide they are transgender are heterosexual. Where are the female equivalents of Caitlyn Jenner, Jane Fae and Helen Belcher?

It's difficult to pin down exactly the reasons for the age differential, but I suspect it will soon largely equalise. The classic late presenting trans women, who spent decades in the closet and trying to deny who she was until she just got to the point in middle age she couldn't stand it any longer is hopefully becoming a thing of the past as younger generations become more tolerant of trans women.

I believe the rise in transition of girls to men during puberty and young adulthood is merely a reflection on the majority of girls hating puberty and what it does to their body very publically and mens response to those changing bodies.
It’s a bloody shock
I hated it. I knew huge numbers of other girls that hated it. That was 1980s
No one told us about Breast binding, hormone treatment, etc- I would have bitten off the arm of anyone who did
I wore baggy clothes, trousers, had short hair. I was trying to hide my body . No one told me I was a trans man - I had barely heard of gay and lesbian people.

I think we need evidence of the journey these girls go on and what happens when the true end of puberty hits when the brain goes through its final development in early twenties I think then a lot of these trans men will become less body dysmorphic. I think it also changes when you start to mix with older women at work and just get on with life outside of the school years obsession with appearance and sex that is a daily event anoungst their friends.

What does a butch lesbian coming out as Trans mean?
Trans girls not revealing themselves and detransitioners are due to societal transphobia then?

How do we define transphobia?

Girls do now outnumber boys but I expect this is more down to the increased social and media hostility aimed at trans women. Imagine being a trans teenager seeing trans women constantly portrayed as predators, fetishists or misogynists - would you come out of the closet in that environment?

Where do you live? In a parallel universe?

We have the Scottish Government which can't wait to reform the GRA.

Here is a thread of Labour MPs falling over themselves to dismantle women's rights to give trans-identifying males everything they ask for:
twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783041395564549

And here's a bit of ITV propaganda touting for Mermaids:
www.itv.com/hub/butterfly/2a5387a0001

So much hostility.

Colour me shocked that a 4000 increase in girls wanting to transition is hand waved away to centre boys - the male of the species is always the important one amirite

And yes what OldCrone asks

In the 80s and early 90s as I grew up there were so many ways to be a young woman. I was easily able to be gender stereotype non-conforming without any drama or having to “identify” as anything. I just had short hair and wore jeans and T-shirts and trainers.

If I’d grown up later, in the world of extreme feminine performance we have been in i May we’ll have developed differently. I’m just old enough now to not give a shit.

There are loads of young butch lesbians knocking about by the way, and quite a few middle aged butch lesbians who subsequently came out as trans.

What about middle-aged heterosexual women with children coming out as trans? Where are they? Most of the middle-aged men who decide they are transgender are heterosexual. Where are the female equivalents of Caitlyn Jenner, Jane Fae and Helen Belcher? They should greatly outnumber the males following the pattern seen amongst children and young people.

Girls do now outnumber boys but I expect this is more down to the increased social and media hostility aimed at trans women. Imagine being a trans teenager seeing trans women constantly portrayed as predators, fetishists or misogynists - would you come out of the closet in that environment? Hopefully with upcoming generations having more enlightened views on this subject young trans women will not be so scared to come out in the future and my guess is that the numbers will equalise again at some point.

There are loads of young butch lesbians knocking about by the way, and quite a few middle aged butch lesbians who subsequently came out as trans. Of course you would know this if you are active in the LGBT community.