Trans woman’s terrible prison experience. (Article omits important detail)

Phew!

I got a deletion the other day thread chat, it was pointing out how useless women protect yourself is. Obv worded it badly everyone thought I was saying that was great...

So not confident with my posts at mo!

Oh ok

Is cheeze me?

Why in hell is the prison system falling over itself to accommodate the demands of individuals who they already know to be manipulative and dangerous? FFS.

It's the fact the notion of gender identity has some quasi-legal status but no other self-declared identity does that gets me. You can't identify as a Young Offender and you can't expect anyone to respect the fact you identify as innocent and let you put of prison, but you can expect the Prison Service to play along with your gender identity even if it harms, endangers or inconveniences others? Why? What's so special about genderfeels versus anyotherfeels?

I don’t understand why they felt their appearance created a problem from their and stint in prison they may define themselves as a transwoman but they look male so their shouldn’t be a problem

Just nipping in to see if 🫐 cheeze or margarita pie have commented yet? No..? How odd.

what evidence do we have that this person is actually trans?

define 'trans'

he said he felt he was a woman. i thought that was all that's required?

Paedophiles and rapists are well known for being master manipulators, exactly what evidence do we have that this person is actually trans?

It's well known in the UK that prisoners lie about being certain religions to get better meals. Why do we automatically believe someone, who has been convicted of lying (amongst other horrendous things), that they are what they say they are?

This is the problem with self-ID, anyone can claim to be anything, even when they're not.

@CheeseMmmm yes, that is an important point.

I heard Tara Hudson on Radio 4 years ago, it was Tara who peaked me.

Jeremy Vine (I think) did an interview with Tara who described her (pronoun for benefit of mods) appearance in a breathy voice and basically said she was "very popular" amongst the other inmates because of how she looked. She since tried to sue for damages because of sexual assaults which allegedly were perpetrated against her while an inmate.

I agree, sexual assault is a hideous crime and no incarcerated person should not have state sanctioned rape added to their sentence. This is a massive problem that the justice system needs to address.

But, it is an unsettling truth that for some males who have AGP, sexual assault fantasies are part of the fetish. As is telling people about it. As is portraying themselves as a helpless victim.

So, whilst #IBelieveHer is my default response to hearing about a case of sexual assault, I'd also take what a person who is a rapist and/or a fetishist, who has been given a public forum says with a large fist full of salt.

'Bennett said she was raped multiple times in Kansas prisons due in part to what she said is KDOC’s lack of interest in keeping her safe. She said she was raped by other inmates because she was transgender, and she raised her safety concerns to KDOC but not enough was done.'

'Bennett said her rape claims also weren’t investigated properly. She said that in one instance, she had both DNA inside of her and on her clothing but no rape kit was done and KDOC didn’t ask for her clothes for a week.'

Right at end and mixed in with loads of stuff about wigs.

What he did was appalling and rightly in prison.

Should part of prison be sexual violation?
Just in general? I mean won't just happen to rapists.

Is it right to condemn one rapist but applaud others?

Not for me thanks.

The article is really really odd.

Things trivial early on. Rapes not mentioned till way down. There's a reason for that I don't know what (yet).

I mean it goes on and wigs makeup etc. Then way down oh yeah and multiple rapes. That's... Not normal reporting. Not what do if want to garner sympathy.

In end. Ideally.

No males with women ever. Full stop.

That given, ideally-

Prisons here there everywhere work really hard to make safer. Plenty of males have factors that mean v vulnerable in prison. TW are in that group.

That's not going to happen.

Next option. Separate those who are obviously at high risk of harm, or who are regularly targeted. Esp related to sexual violence.

Can't see that happening.

So... That's on the govts, prisons depts, etc.

Not the fault of women who know sex matters FFS.
And those who push for males if trans in female prisons.
What about all the other vulnerable men eh? Why zero interest in them? And given don't care about women. Progressive you say? Well that's drivel obv.

I feel really uncomfortable with GL commentary and in general tbh.

Males should never be in women's prisons. Full stop. Before i continue.

This is USA prison system. I thought well known for having loads of just massive problems. It's not here.

I know bits and bobs.

• Big business. All private. All about profit. That invariably mean little to no shits about anything else ie the people in prison.

• Production value work by inmates (unpaid) contribution to economy, I was wtf seriously?

• Racism. Prison terms black v white so different. Then.. well have to work and no pay. That sounds familiar somehow... That's an aside but for me adds to picture overall.

• ok from TV films so um. Always presented as vast, gang activities, violence, just essentially a disaster. Never seen different to that. True? Got to be at least partly.

That all is massive usa issue. Their prison system is atrociously awful on many fronts. Totally different to UK. How can understand picture when pretty much no idea context?

Tbc

Not that it's news to anyone that sex offenders are vulnerable prisoners. It's pretty routine for sex offenders to end up in protective custody, but that's got nothing to do with the pronouns they use, and everything to do with the nature of the crime they committed and the feelings other prisoners have about those who commit that sort of crimes.

The article mentions that he has been in prison twice. I wonder what the other offence was.

Reminds me of this one, www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/27/marie-dean-trans-prisoner-male-prison-hunger-strike
No hair straighteners!

Omitting all this www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4390490.cross-dressing-burnley-burglar-jailed-indefinitely/

Prison broke him?

He was already broken.

Yes, odd how many of our righteous right side of history posters are absent on these threads. Really surprising.

For balance, I suppose I have seen posters on Twitter defending the rights of people like Karen White, Katie Dolatowski, Jessica Yaniv, Barbie Kardashian et al to be recognised as their desired gender and house in prison accordingly. Which is at the very least honest.

Just for info, this individual was incarcerated in Kansas USA, not UK.

I have also noticed a lack of pastel coloured pom pom waving on threads which are specific.

It is quite hard to defend the indefensible.

This man has abused a girl and so has the journalist who wrote this biased article. I hope the girl never sees his face in the paper or anywhere else again. She was very brave to pursue a conviction.

The answer to keep vulnerable male prisoners safer is either radical overhaul of the male system or TW units. Which the govt and Downview tried. The TW didn't want them.

Keeping male prisoners safer is a very important thing. I'm all for it. But it does not equate with putting them in with non consenting female prisoners, which is what this is all about. Meeting male needs does not equal using females as service animals. Ever.