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LGBT+ Police Network Wales survey: total gender ideology

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Pluvia · 14/01/2022 14:46

I've been forwarded this survey intended for LGBT+ people in Wales

www.smartsurvey.co.uk/thankyou

I've filled it in making it perfectly clear that I'm a gender atheist, I don't have a gender, I don't support gender ideology and that I don't regard LGB as having anything to do with TQ+. It seems clear to me that they are taking a highly politicised position.

If anyone else wants to fill it in all you need to give is the first four letters of a Welsh postcode.

I've sent a copy to Fair Cop. Is there any other organisation that might want to take this up?

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HaroldMeeker · 15/01/2022 11:05

To be fair, the questions are utterly gobbledegook anyway. I see sbsolutely no useful information being extrapolated from the information garnered. It's just babble. Wtf was the point? It wouldn't surprise me to find it was written by a 16 year old on work experience.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/01/2022 11:01

So you are saying they’re aren’t any gay welsh food here?

Hmm
Spero · 15/01/2022 11:01

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Just looked at that tweet. The tweeter has a point though - it is spam and trolling the survey though. What else is stuff along the lines of ' I have a Leek in the fridge, that makes me Welsh!'' Etc Hmm I'm straight and live nowhere near Wales, what gives me the right to fill in and skew the survey? It's ridiculous. Sometimes it's not always about me, or you. It smacks a bit of '' wah, I want to be included too, anything I don't understand is a load of rubbish! "" Hmm
You miss the point. Mockery or childish responses to a survey are not a police matter. There should be no suggestion that anyone who engages in mockery or childish responses should find themselves investigated for a criminal offence.

If the police don't wish to be mocked then they should not be quite so determined to act absurdly. Mocking responses to such a survey are equally valid as deeply sincere ones. Each response tells a story.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/01/2022 11:01

Giving out a Welsh postcode for the thread shows people wanting anyone to fill it in, regardless where abouts in the world they are.

KittenKong · 15/01/2022 11:00

So you are saying they’re aren’t any gay welsh food here?

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/01/2022 10:58

Just looked at that tweet.
The tweeter has a point though - it is spam and trolling the survey though.
What else is stuff along the lines of ' I have a Leek in the fridge, that makes me Welsh!''
Etc Hmm
I'm straight and live nowhere near Wales, what gives me the right to fill in and skew the survey?
It's ridiculous.
Sometimes it's not always about me, or you.
It smacks a bit of '' wah, I want to be included too, anything I don't understand is a load of rubbish! "" Hmm

Berthatydfil · 15/01/2022 10:47

@FrancescaContini

Do complete the survey - I enjoyed it. Unfortunately I was unable to ask for explanation of their question “Does your gender match the sex you were given at birth?” I have yet to find a satisfactory answer to what this means.
I answered it by saying (not exact words) but how can I answer a question about something that doesn’t exist
MrBIobby · 15/01/2022 10:35

@YetAnotherSpartacus

It's such a shame that The Bill no longer runs. I'd like to see Polly, Dave and Reg on the case.
I loved the bill. They did a better job of policing than the actual police. Maybe they could run training sessions to the current police force. Grin
Datun · 15/01/2022 10:32

For god's sake! What they should have said is thank you for your concern. Our survey is open to anyone with an interest in the issue, as we want to hear from a diverse range of views.

Jeez.

Waitwhat23 · 15/01/2022 10:16

'The scale and secrecy of Welsh police force misconduct has been revealed for the first time in an investigation byThe National.

Our analysis shows that a disturbing proportion of recent police force dismissals related to significant abuses of power, physical violence and sex offences – and demonstrated a concerning lack of transparency.

These findings come in the wake of UK-wide revelations about police misconduct that have shaken public trust in forces, and raised questions about institutional misogyny.'

www.thenational.wales/news/19651933.wales-police-misconduct-scale-revealed/

YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/01/2022 10:16

It's such a shame that The Bill no longer runs. I'd like to see Polly, Dave and Reg on the case.

OldCrone · 15/01/2022 10:09

@Pluvia

A friend of mine here in Wales has reminded me about the Welsh language requirement. It's law here in Wales that major organisations have to put all their public information out in Welsh as well as English. We presume that applies to the police — so they've broken the law on that.
I think this is where you can make a complaint about the lack of a Welsh language version.

www.welshlanguagecommissioner.wales/your-rights/make-a-complaint

It says you have to be directly affected, so you would have to be a Welsh speaker.

FrancescaContini · 15/01/2022 10:00

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Ooh! Yep! That's right. Welsh language version should actually have been offered first, with the English language the choice, not the default.

Naughty naughty

I think you need to report it to the police.

Oh, wait…🤦‍♀️

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/01/2022 09:59

Ooh! Yep! That's right. Welsh language version should actually have been offered first, with the English language the choice, not the default.

Naughty naughty

KittenKong · 15/01/2022 09:58

And their threat to monitor this website is still up. Interesting.

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Pluvia · 15/01/2022 09:53

A friend of mine here in Wales has reminded me about the Welsh language requirement. It's law here in Wales that major organisations have to put all their public information out in Welsh as well as English. We presume that applies to the police — so they've broken the law on that.

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MichelleScarn · 15/01/2022 09:53

Ended up down a twitter cess pool rabbit hole, but very disappointed to see Rebel Wilson firmly nail her colours to the 'pick me.... I'm an 'ally' dance' her choice but she has sunk in my estimation for this pointless attack.

LGBT+ Police Network Wales survey: total gender ideology
Artichokeleaves · 15/01/2022 09:51

Well how interesting.

A complaint that their survey may be filled in by those with different political and ideological beliefs to the tweeter's and that this is a cause for police monitoring?

And the police say yes, we're on it. Can't be having tolerance for diversity or plurality or wider representation of LGBT+ women's views!

Which kind of proves the whole point of why we're here, why we're concerned and what the whole problem is! Fgs, police are supposed to have integrity, impartiality and basic common sense. Get a grip for pete's sake.

(Is suggesting that hate speech yet?)

MrBIobby · 15/01/2022 09:49

@HaroldMeeker

Police are monitoring this board??

Yoohoo! Hello boys!

😂
HaroldMeeker · 15/01/2022 09:48

Police are monitoring this board??

Yoohoo! Hello boys!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/01/2022 09:43

I shall have a look right now.

If only to piss off Helen and her endless stupidity.

KittenKong · 15/01/2022 09:42

Maybe they mean as is ‘yeah, right, go away you serial complainer - your request is straight in the bin’

Spero · 15/01/2022 09:39

The police have responded to say their reply - promising to monitor mumsnet - was taken 'out of context'. A reminder - this was the context

LGBT+ Police Network Wales survey: total gender ideology
OldCrone · 15/01/2022 09:35

The police are monitoring this thread? On mimmymums say so?

I just posted this on the other thread.

For anyone who missed it at the time, mimmymum is Helen Islan, a former employee of Mermaids, who took Miranda Yardley (a transsexual) to court over alleged transphobic harassment (and lost). Islan is not trans.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3521122-Miranda-in-court

Waitwhat23 · 15/01/2022 09:24

Wow. Various Police forces seem to be happy to be used as personal enforcement arms for people who don't believe in women's rights, free speech or plurality of opinion. Haven't they learned from the various humiliating climb-downs by the Scottish Police?

It is as simple as the fact that people are allowed to hold different opinions as much as Mimmymum dislikes that.