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LGBT+ Police Network Wales survey: total gender ideology

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Pluvia · 14/01/2022 14:46

I've been forwarded this survey intended for LGBT+ people in Wales

www.smartsurvey.co.uk/thankyou

I've filled it in making it perfectly clear that I'm a gender atheist, I don't have a gender, I don't support gender ideology and that I don't regard LGB as having anything to do with TQ+. It seems clear to me that they are taking a highly politicised position.

If anyone else wants to fill it in all you need to give is the first four letters of a Welsh postcode.

I've sent a copy to Fair Cop. Is there any other organisation that might want to take this up?

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Pluvia · 15/01/2022 13:24

Your post made me think of what their version of a faith survey would might look like.

Question 1
Which faith do you belong to?
a) Church of England
b) Catholic
c) Methodist
d) Baptist
e) Church of Wales
d) Happy Clappy
e) other Christian denomination

Question 2
Were you a person of faith at birth?
a) Born Christian
b) Born some other false faith and converted to Christianity
c) Born atheist and converted to Christianity

The survey really is that blinkered, isn't it?

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CompleteGinasaur · 15/01/2022 13:17

need, dammit - typing in hurry on my way out1

CompleteGinasaur · 15/01/2022 13:16

You can be Maid of Honour, Best Woman, you name it. God, we're going to nedd a bloody big hall for the reception, aren't we...!

Chersfrozenface · 15/01/2022 13:12

@CompleteGinasaur I'm Welsh and live in Wales and have done the survey. So at the mass marriage identification, could I be an attendant (bridesmaid in old money) ? I've never been one. (sniff)

MrBIobby · 15/01/2022 13:02

Thanks CompleteGinasaur we can all feel special now.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 15/01/2022 12:59

Is there a similar survey where they are looking for information about how they can improve their relationships with people in the community who are female?

Or elderly?

Or of faith?

Or disabled?

Or of colour?

Or pregnant?

Or is it ONLY people who are LGB, but, especially the QT who are of interest Police Force?

I am sure I've read on here that QT aren't protected characteristics. They aren't even defined in law yet, are they?

Artichokeleaves · 15/01/2022 12:40

@HaroldMeeker

Our daffs are mere green stumpy fingers thrusting out of the ground at present. The snowdrops, otoh, are well out and shouting "nah nah, beat ya" at them.
It's all right for you, all mine are underground refusing to come out at all. Clearly my garden is not a safe space.
CompleteGinasaur · 15/01/2022 12:39

Tee Hee, bad Ginasaur. Still, all those old pit villages need all the immigration they can get..

HaroldMeeker · 15/01/2022 12:36

@CompleteGinasaur

I'm Welsh, and a lesbian. And I currently identify as someone who has just married the lot of you. You are now, therefore, all Welsh by marriage and can fill in the survey at your leisure. You're welcome.
Awwww
CompleteGinasaur · 15/01/2022 12:32

I'm Welsh, and a lesbian. And I currently identify as someone who has just married the lot of you. You are now, therefore, all Welsh by marriage and can fill in the survey at your leisure. You're welcome.

Flippin · 15/01/2022 12:01

The damage inflicted across this country’s institutions is heartbreaking to watch. I am a proud immigrant and a Brit, I feel completely powerless at stopping this madness apart from talking about it with the family and close friends. I can feel the trust in police being seriously undermined. This cannot and must not continue unchallenged.

OhLordyWhatNow · 15/01/2022 11:56

@Terfydactyl

The daffodils are in a very sheltered south west facing spot close to a brick wall that has been warmed by the lovely bright sunshine we've had here for the past few days.

I was surprised to see them, but it's a very welcome sight as it's been so grey and rainy until now.

HaroldMeeker · 15/01/2022 11:52

Our daffs are mere green stumpy fingers thrusting out of the ground at present. The snowdrops, otoh, are well out and shouting "nah nah, beat ya" at them.

Terfydactyl · 15/01/2022 11:47

@HaroldMeeker

Police are monitoring this board??

Yoohoo! Hello boys!

🤣

FWIW my maiden name is Welsh so there must be some Welsh in me somewhere. That definitely counts and to PP who has daffodils emerging. How? It's about 4 degrees here and far to early for daffs.

MrBIobby · 15/01/2022 11:41

That police department needs investigating for allowing members of the public to use them as their long arm security to silence wrong think. Please report yourselves for investigation.

Artichokeleaves · 15/01/2022 11:38

I hope the police department responsible for this mess of a survey do come and read this thread.

They won't find hate. They will find a lot of reason to worry about the general public starting to perceive them as politically captured, and fast losing respect and credibility as a result. And possibly they'll still have enough grip left to think about whether this is a good thing, or something they should urgently try sorting out.

Because being a muppet while shouting right side of history does not make you any less of a muppet.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/01/2022 11:29

I may have laboured the point that they allowed me space to identify as I chose in all but the age question. Called them ageist.

I also told them that as someone without gender belief I had no way of honestly answering Q3.

Twas a depressingly badly written set of questions.

OhLordyWhatNow · 15/01/2022 11:25

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Giving out a Welsh postcode for the thread shows people wanting anyone to fill it in, regardless where abouts in the world they are.

The original tweet says the survey is open to anyone.

It does not specify that you must be resident in Wales. Either on the tweet or on the landing page for the survey.

It is perfectly valid to use a Welsh postcode to access the survey if you are concerned by the issues encountered by LGBTQ+ community in Wales.

I am concerned and answered the survey in good faith.

Are you saying that because I live across the border in England, but regularly travel within Wales for work and social reasons that I am not allowed to participate? There is potential for me, my colleagues, and friends and family to be directly affected by the outcome of this survey and any recommendations drawn from it. I'm very concerned by your attitude around silencing women.

I'm also concerned by your inability to detect sarcasm. 🙄

MenaiMna · 15/01/2022 11:25

Ha ha, I've done it twice. Once as me, once as my L-leaning teen. Both of us GC.

Pluvia · 15/01/2022 11:23

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Just looked at that tweet. The tweeter has a point though - it is spam and trolling the survey though. What else is stuff along the lines of ' I have a Leek in the fridge, that makes me Welsh!'' Etc Hmm I'm straight and live nowhere near Wales, what gives me the right to fill in and skew the survey? It's ridiculous. Sometimes it's not always about me, or you. It smacks a bit of '' wah, I want to be included too, anything I don't understand is a load of rubbish! "" Hmm
The survey doesn't say you have to be Welsh or live in Wales or that you have to be LGB or TQ+ to participate. In fact it invites everyone to participate and as you can see from the survey, it has a heterosexual option.

It's a ridiculous virtue-signalling, tick-box exercise with no rigour or academic of statistical merit, pulled together by a team who assume that everyone subscribes to gender ideology (as they clearly do — and shouldn't).

It's the equivalent of launching a survey about religion and assuming that everyone is Christian, or about race and assuming everyone is black. It deserves ridicule and scrutiny.

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Lovelyricepudding · 15/01/2022 11:20

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Just looked at that tweet. The tweeter has a point though - it is spam and trolling the survey though. What else is stuff along the lines of ' I have a Leek in the fridge, that makes me Welsh!'' Etc Hmm I'm straight and live nowhere near Wales, what gives me the right to fill in and skew the survey? It's ridiculous. Sometimes it's not always about me, or you. It smacks a bit of '' wah, I want to be included too, anything I don't understand is a load of rubbish! "" Hmm
I ask this seriously - why if saying 'I identify as a woman' makes a man a woman rather than trolling women does not the same apply to other criteria?
NotBadConsidering · 15/01/2022 11:19

To be fair, the questions are utterly gobbledegook anyway.

Exactly.

“How would you describe your gender?”

Vaguely?

“Assigned at birth”

Fuck off.

“What pronouns do you use?”

All of them: personal, demonstrative, indefinite, relative…etc etc depending on the conversation.

“What is your sexual orientation ?”

Asexual and pansexual? Where are they in the Equality Act then? Hmm

“Have you ever been the victim of a hate crime?”

How likely is it that people will record actual crimes that have been definitively motivated by hate? Or will people record their perceived “non-crime hate incident”, because the two have been conflated? Such a sneaky question.

It’s just poor quality more than anything else.

DialSquare · 15/01/2022 11:16

I'm glad your cleared that up kitten. I'm a big foodie and thought I'd missed something!

KittenKong · 15/01/2022 11:12

@EeeICouldRipATissue

So you are saying they’re aren’t any gay welsh food here?

Hmm

People… food was a odd autocorrect…
Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/01/2022 11:09

I for one I’m completely convinced that TRA have never & do never encourage ppl to complete surveys with approved right think in areas they don’t live in Hmm