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LGBT+ Police Network Wales survey: total gender ideology

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Pluvia · 14/01/2022 14:46

I've been forwarded this survey intended for LGBT+ people in Wales

www.smartsurvey.co.uk/thankyou

I've filled it in making it perfectly clear that I'm a gender atheist, I don't have a gender, I don't support gender ideology and that I don't regard LGB as having anything to do with TQ+. It seems clear to me that they are taking a highly politicised position.

If anyone else wants to fill it in all you need to give is the first four letters of a Welsh postcode.

I've sent a copy to Fair Cop. Is there any other organisation that might want to take this up?

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Terfydactyl · 15/01/2022 20:08

@BettyFilous

A lesbian wife Arabella, but a timeshare-wife with the 6 other FWR posters and their socks. Always read the small print.
This made me laugh, I'm always sarcastically saying theres 6 of us and we run thousands of sock accounts each. Where we find time between looking at prams, our giggly sleepovers and ummm I forgot what else.

That completely useless survey is still being brigaded, I keep refreshing the page every 10/15 minutes and its going up exponentially. A couple hundred votes each time.
I wouldnt mind but the school wont care or change anything because of a free paper survey. 🤷‍♀️

MrBIobby · 15/01/2022 20:01

@Alekto

How do I know if I'm one of the FWR Six or just one of their socks?
Are you currently hugging someone's foot?
Linguini · 15/01/2022 19:56

I'm a fox in socks with a fix in six.
Not a sock on a thread to knot.

Anyway.....

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2022 19:54

Check between your toes for lint.

Alekto · 15/01/2022 19:34

How do I know if I'm one of the FWR Six or just one of their socks?

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2022 19:23

@BettyFilous

A lesbian wife Arabella, but a timeshare-wife with the 6 other FWR posters and their socks. Always read the small print.
Hmm

It's just another MLM scheme, isn't it?

Linguini · 15/01/2022 19:19

Lesbians don't do dick?

Plasmodesmata · 15/01/2022 18:28

You'd have hoped that they wouldn't tolerate any homophobic or transphobic comments, obviously.
However - it's difficult to know what they'd consider that to be, given the way that the whole thing has played out.

JustcameoutGC posted this on the other thread:

"Sex is binary, immutable and real.
Gender is a social construct.
Transwomen are transwomen.
Single sex spaces are lawful and needed.
Womanhood cannot be identified into, it is the product of biology and lived experience that males can never authentically access.
Trans people have the right to live life free of harassment and prejudice.
Advancing trans rights cannot come at the expense of womens rights"

Would the survey runners consider those "transphobic comments"?
Would our monitors consider them to be so?

FlyingOink · 15/01/2022 18:28

I quite fancy a timeshare in Wales too and I'd happily take the spare room Smile

FlyingOink · 15/01/2022 18:27

@OhLordyWhatNow

I've brought Bara Brith and Welsh Cakes to go with the tea. Help yourselves.
I love Welsh cakes
ErrolTheDragon · 15/01/2022 18:19

@MargaritaPie

The police twitter account have posted a new tweet:

"Please be mindful when completing this survey that whilst we welcome your views we absolutely will not tolerate any homophobic or transphobic comments."

I'd have thought that went without saying. I hope they can recognise and deal robustly with all forms of genuine homophobia and transphobia.
OhLordyWhatNow · 15/01/2022 18:08

I've brought Bara Brith and Welsh Cakes to go with the tea. Help yourselves.

Helleofabore · 15/01/2022 18:06

@BettyFilous

A lesbian wife Arabella, but a timeshare-wife with the 6 other FWR posters and their socks. Always read the small print.
Yeah…. We are lots of socks!!!

Or is that we have lots of socks! I know I have some odd socks. Is this like Dobby though, if we give up our socks to the new timeshare wife, she will be free???

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 15/01/2022 17:53

Artichoke** best get comfy, you may be some time.

passes tea

Artichokeleaves · 15/01/2022 17:36

@MargaritaPie

The police twitter account have posted a new tweet:

"Please be mindful when completing this survey that whilst we welcome your views we absolutely will not tolerate any homophobic or transphobic comments."

Any working definition yet of what either one actually is?
MrBIobby · 15/01/2022 17:34

They posted that quite a while ago. And of course people shouldn't post homophobic and transphobic comments. But protecting sex based rights, acknowledging that it's not possible to change sex, and voicing concerns around safeguarding and trans ideology is not transphobic.

MargaritaPie · 15/01/2022 17:28

The police twitter account have posted a new tweet:

"Please be mindful when completing this survey that whilst we welcome your views we absolutely will not tolerate any homophobic or transphobic comments."

Artichokeleaves · 15/01/2022 17:21

anything I don't understand is a load of rubbish!

A two minute read around this board would demonstrate very clearly that women understand this situation to a way greater depth than TRAs and apparently the Police Network do, and they have a hell of a lot more clearly articulated, evidenced concerns about it than 'this is a load of rubbish'.

Yes, women here are being facetious, especially the L ones, because by this point they are bloody annoyed at this kind of mindless, deaf rejection of them trying to talk about the issues. You'll note however the total lack of threatening to harm or hurt anyone, so very very common to those who do not want women or homosexual people to be allowed to say anything non compliant with this rather controlling, angry and intolerant political position.

You'll also notice that it is a matter of public record that this political lobby has and does brigade surveys on a tediously regular basis to swing things to their own agenda. There's a thread about one being brigaded today. So while I agree with you that brigading and falsifying and generally extracting the michael from this kind of survey is inappropriate - although I'll bet every woman here who has replied has articulated in detail what the issues are, which apparently is badly needed information by this police group in question and not time wasting in the least - but I am not going to sit around in political lockdown being a good girl and keeping the rules while this political lobby Boris everywhere with cheese and wine galore. No more double standards.

BettyFilous · 15/01/2022 16:36

A lesbian wife Arabella, but a timeshare-wife with the 6 other FWR posters and their socks. Always read the small print.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2022 15:58

@CompleteGinasaur

I'm Welsh, and a lesbian. And I currently identify as someone who has just married the lot of you. You are now, therefore, all Welsh by marriage and can fill in the survey at your leisure. You're welcome.
My lesbian wife! At blooming last!!! Daffodil

That took substantially longer than I'd been led to believe.

Good. Now - where is my free Tshirt?

Abitofalark · 15/01/2022 15:23

@Artichokeleaves

Well how interesting.

A complaint that their survey may be filled in by those with different political and ideological beliefs to the tweeter's and that this is a cause for police monitoring?

And the police say yes, we're on it. Can't be having tolerance for diversity or plurality or wider representation of LGBT+ women's views!

Which kind of proves the whole point of why we're here, why we're concerned and what the whole problem is! Fgs, police are supposed to have integrity, impartiality and basic common sense. Get a grip for pete's sake.

(Is suggesting that hate speech yet?)

No we can't be having any of that: tolerance is a deeply suspect word; so-called diversity is as weaselly as you can get; plurality is unknown and not officially sanctioned in the parish, representation doesn't cut it against magical Janus-like 'inclusion' and as for L and women, I'm afraid you'll have to catch the High Court on a good day.

It's only fair to add that Plod has never been known for common sense or indeed any of those other admirable qualities you mention, as it continues to confirm to us daily by its actions and statements.

Mind how you go and remember Plod is always available to check your thinking.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 15/01/2022 15:01

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Just looked at that tweet. The tweeter has a point though - it is spam and trolling the survey though. What else is stuff along the lines of ' I have a Leek in the fridge, that makes me Welsh!'' Etc Hmm I'm straight and live nowhere near Wales, what gives me the right to fill in and skew the survey? It's ridiculous. Sometimes it's not always about me, or you. It smacks a bit of '' wah, I want to be included too, anything I don't understand is a load of rubbish! "" Hmm
I'm straight and live nowhere near Wales, what gives me the right to fill in and skew the survey?

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You mean like when a biological male who has no idea of the lived experience of a biological woman thinks he has the right to declare himself as one and take our places in employment, shortlists and sports?

Abitofalark · 15/01/2022 14:57

[quote OldCrone]The police are monitoring this thread? On mimmymums say so?

I just posted this on the other thread.

For anyone who missed it at the time, mimmymum is Helen Islan, a former employee of Mermaids, who took Miranda Yardley (a transsexual) to court over alleged transphobic harassment (and lost). Islan is not trans.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3521122-Miranda-in-court[/quote]
Thank you for that, OldCrone. I did wonder at all the coy references to a mysterious person who took another mysterious person to court. Not sure what was the point.

IndigoToo · 15/01/2022 14:42

f. Church of Gender Ideology

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 15/01/2022 13:30

Well done, @Pluvia, yes, it's exactly that.

Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.