Gender nonsense will be the Tories secret weapon

I am sure that the latest Transgender Law Center document laying out the recommendations (many upfront manipulation tactics) to gain a better reception for messaging of the more extreme trans rights messages will also prove a ‘boring’ document.

It even uses some techniques Denton’s suggested that have been used too.

So boring these documents.

I think it will be a key issue tbh. Look how many people have woken up to what this ideology actually means since the last election. That’s not going to stop. It’s a tidal wave. Every day I see more open discussion on SM and comments and opinions being allowed to stand that would have been viciously attacked just a year ago. Even here on MN discussions/comments stand that would have been deleted not that long ago. Imagine where we will be in a year or two.

I think if people actually start discussing this on doorsteps to the candidates, it will start sending a message that it IS an issue that is needing attention. Not ignoring it with platitudes and admonishments.

Just so people can decide for themselves, this is the Denton’s document www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf

This is an article on it by James Kirkup www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

I don't expect it will be the key election issue either. However it's very easy right now to overlook the size of this government's majority and the reasons behind them winning that majority.

I think it's pretty ignorant and arrogant to think Labour can march in and win back some of those lost seats purely on the back of Johnson's current unpopularity - especially when there's still more than two years to go. Labour face a massive uphill job and they're going to need all the help they can get but, until they learn to stop treating women as human shields, then I for one will not be lifting a finger.

I do enjoy how people think a boring document put out by a law firm that probably no-one ever read until gender critical people picked up on it was some masterclass secret strategy document despite the fact it was published years after legislation was passed granting trans rights. It's pure David Icke, find some think tank report somewhere no-one read and declare it to be a masterplan for global domination

Yes, I’d be trying to discount a document that was so damaging to my cause too if I were TRA…

Who do they think are having to share showers with male prisoners? It's certainly not the ultra woke middle class champagne socialists pretending to care about the working class but rather the single parent mother who can't afford a TV licence.

Clearly this is an issue for people on here. I don't wish to belittle anyone's opinion but i'm not sure this is going to be the key issue that the next election will be won and lost on. The next election will likely be won and lost on many of the usual issues: the economy, trust in politicians (this could be a big issue next time); healthcare; housing; education; the environment.

Sorry to intrude here, but I'm really not sure the strongly held views of a few people posting on here necessarily reflect those of the country at large.

To say it means that THERE'S NO WOMEN'S RIGHTS just seems silly.

Not at all. If there are rights specific to women, you have to have a closed, ie exclusionary, definition of women. If you include men in the definition of women, or indeed vice versa, there is no longer such a thing as women's right to equal pay, for example, or to equal representation in the workplace. You can reach 50% of women on company boards by having half the men identify as women. Discriminating against a pregnant employee is no longer sex discrimination, because men can get pregnant. (Luckily pregnancy is a protected characteristic in its own right.) And obviously no right to single-sex spaces and activities.

Shining a light on Labour in relation to this is irrelevant if the Tories don't show they are going to do something about it. Not just talk about but actually DO something.

I won't vote Labour for this reason however currently I don't trust the Tories either.

The actual plan was to make sure that women didn’t know how their rights were being targeted until it was too late

And this is the biggest GC self own ever - the idea that these law changes which predominantly took place in 1979, 1999, 2003 and 2011 were so secret that nobody even realised they had happened until 2017. They've had such a devastating impact on the lives of women, and yet women didn't even notice it had happened for nearly four decades insome cases lol. That's why none of this stuff is a vote winner. No-one cares except a couple of thousand obsessives on social media.

Even not when!

I grew up on a council estate so I don’t need a lecture about working class ppl

The other thing is that as per the Denton document, it was a completely deliberate strategy by TRA to do everything under the radar. The actual plan was to make sure that women didn’t know how their rights were being targeted until it was too late

That happened in other countries but it didn’t happen here because women here got wise to it. Every day posters come on here saying they had no idea what it all meant, they thought it just meant be kind to a handful of deeply dysphoric ppl not the abolition of all womens single sex spaces to accommodate men who identify as women (sometimes not when full time)

Are we getting another lecture on what working class women care most about?

Because… none of us have any idea? None of us are working class? None of us grew up working class?

Have we got a definition yet of what is ‘working’ class?

I think that girl child in Louden county give a fig?

I always thibk posts celebrating the erasure of womens rights that end with “lol” say so much

Another Tory government would be an absolute disaster for women's rights - or at least the rights most women care about - decent benefits, housing and healthcare, maternity rights, pay gap monitoring, access to reproductive healthcare, the stuff that actually has a massive impact on mostly working class women's rights. I barely know a single woman who gives two figs about trans inclusion, but I know a lot who are terrified of this Government and any future Tory election win.

"Resounding" is the number of seats the Conservatives won vs Labour in December 2019.

Their policy was still self ID back then, so hardly a vote loser. Things not looking so bright for them now though - the culture wars are backfiring.

I always thibk posts celebrating the erasure of womens rights that end with “lol” say so much

I’m sure Cor & Barley will be able to explain how the Loudon rapist shit show in the USA is totally nothing to do with allowing men or in this case teenage boys to identify as female & access single sex spaces

Does anyone else here think Cor is a Mumsnet agent employed to keep us all engaged on a thread?

I'm hearing similar things coming out of America ahead of the mid terms. It used to be considered a fringe issue but it's now no longer possible to ignore and it could become pivotal in the red vs blue - it might not but it could.

If I was a Tory advisor - and I'm not - I'd milk it for all it was worth. Even with all that has gone on I'd put a tenner on the Tories (possibly without Boris).

"The young" seem to think that re-tweeting something they agree with is the same as getting off their arse and putting a cross on a voting slip.

Describing Biden's victory as "resounding" must be a special, new definition of the word. "Resounding" is the number of seats the Conservatives won vs Labour in December 2019.