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Gender nonsense will be the Tories secret weapon

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bellinisurge · 13/01/2022 12:49

To my mind, the only way the Tories can get themselves out of their self made mess is to shine a light on gender woo woo in the Labour Party. I'm guessing that was behind Wes Streeting's tentative "maybe we shouldn't say burn the witch all the time".
How can they not see how vulnerable they are when Liz Truss has become a more appealing prospect for women's rights.
Jesus.

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justaftb · 13/01/2022 13:19

I was a Labour voter and party member through and through, but the misogyny of statements from senior leaders in the party has opened my eyes to the misogyny endemic within it:

"The phrase 'only women have a cervix' is is something that shouldn't be said. It is not right." Keir Starmer.

"I think transwomen are women and they should be accommodated in the prison of their choosing." Lisa Nandy's response when asked if a male child rapist (Christopher Worton) should be housed in a woman's prison because he now identifies as a women.

"...dinosaurs who want to hoard rights." David Lammy on women who believe males should not be allowed access women's single-sex spaces.

Here's a full thread of more egregious examples:

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313

Do we really want someone who says "A child is born without a sex", as Dawn Butler said, or "It is factually incorrect to say that only women have cervixes", as Emily Thornberry said, make any important decisions about anything? I wouldn't want either of those as Minister for Health or Minister for Equalities.

bellinisurge · 13/01/2022 13:16

The Democrats in the US will have the same problem.
Everyone likes to be nice and kind and supportive and liberal minded. But when you start to explain, with real examples, how selfID has already made it easier for predatory men to access women in vulnerable situations, it all falls over.

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justaftb · 13/01/2022 13:09

@CorrBlimeyGG

You know women's rights is far bigger than you not liking trans people don't you? What is Liz Truss' voting record on employment rights, benefit cuts, cuts to public services and healthcare? They all affect women far more than any trans woman will.
How can we have women's rights when we cannot even say that a woman is an adult human female? When the word "woman" has become meaningless because any male who says he is one, is one?
Seriouslymole · 13/01/2022 13:01

@ScreamingBeans

CorBlimeyGG, if self ID goes through, there will be no women's rights.

By definition, if any man can say he's a woman, there's no women's rights, there's just people's rights. Which usually means rights which benefit men, if they don't benefit men then they're not seen as people's rights.

This, in spades.
KittyLeMew · 13/01/2022 13:00

This isn’t about not liking trans people LOL it’s about the erasure and erosion of women’s rights eg keeping prisons single sex to prevent vulnerable women being raped, keeping single sex spaces where women are vulnerable (toilets, changing rooms, refuges, rape crisis support groups) free of men, it’s about the transing of vulnerable children and teens and life changing medications and surgery that lead to sterilisation, irreversible changes to their body, health problems and a horrifying regret among many other issues all of which primarily and most seriously impact on women and children.

So just jog on with that idea @CorrBlimeyGG

SantaClawsServiette · 13/01/2022 12:59

I agree that this issue overall is really bad for the LP - not just because of the direct badness but also because people thinks it shows them as gullible and stupid, and also that they have a profound lack of respect for the public overall, women, etc. All these things just affect people's view of them as competent and working for the people.

But I am not sure that will translate directly to what people are upset about with the Tories at this moment, which seems to be another example of a party thumbing their nose at voters.

Their best approach might be new leadership before the election but then of course the question is, who?

bellinisurge · 13/01/2022 12:58

@CorrBlimeyGG , I'm very sorry you think that caring about women's rights means I hate trans people. Speaks volumes, really.

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ScreamingBeans · 13/01/2022 12:55

CorBlimeyGG, if self ID goes through, there will be no women's rights.

By definition, if any man can say he's a woman, there's no women's rights, there's just people's rights. Which usually means rights which benefit men, if they don't benefit men then they're not seen as people's rights.

CorrBlimeyGG · 13/01/2022 12:53

You know women's rights is far bigger than you not liking trans people don't you? What is Liz Truss' voting record on employment rights, benefit cuts, cuts to public services and healthcare? They all affect women far more than any trans woman will.