Gender nonsense will be the Tories secret weapon

It's funny that several of us appear to be thinking the same on that score.

Ah! I thought there was something familiar about those interminable waffling posts

The only thing I think needs to happen is that honesty is used in any survey and mention no surgery needed and no numbers at all for how many have their penises removed. Plus that hormones do NOT mean no erections.

If every survey made that clear, I doubt anyone would be surprised at the lack of acceptance of males in single sex spaces. Except those hard of critical thinking or wedded to supporting something they know is untrue.

Let’s face it. Some posters that continue to push this are those who do not care about women, or who believe that woman should be mothering the world. And any woman who disagrees is to be monstered. Including demonized with exaggerated claims.

Luckily it is very few extremists. Most attempting just to shame women plop and run off, they know they only have emotive manipulation left. Even those are getting fewer now. Partly because they realise the ‘you are the hateful minority’ no longer works at all, because it was never true.

Angry women don't really need to change anyone's mind. They just need to help people see what is actually happening. Many people are fine with transwomen using the ladies loos because they think a transwoman is a biological woman. They don't realise that they are actually a biological man. Once they do, they are no longer supportive. Most people don't think people can change sex and once they realise this is part of the ideology, they don't support it.

We had a similar poster who enjoyed talking bollocks, culminating in telling the women here that their stance would affect the tourist industry.

😁

That poster might feel they've convinced themselves, but to everyone else it just looks like one desperate contradiction after another.

Indeed. Desperate floundering.

That poster confirmed the other day their blatant overly exaggerated and hyperbolic statements are their rhetorical device.

So that would imply they are fully aware it is gaslighting and darvo they are carrying out on these threads.

They are, there is quite the angry mob on twitter at the moment. The thing is they don't change anyone's minds, quite the opposite

These are all the people whose minds have been changed.

It's just another form of DARVO.

Indeed. Desperate floundering.

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@ArabellaScott In case you or someone else haven't seen this compilation of remarks made by LP politicians voicing support of trans rights at the expense of women here's the link.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313[/quote]
They come over on that thread as such a bunch of craven idiots.

I'd rather not be ruled by idiots, but at the moment there's not much choice. Idiots right, left and centre.

Not forgetting the dishonesty and all the other crap.

I'd like a political party with some bloody backbone and some morals.

It is indeed Eresh.

Oh! And those ‘pile ons’ are actually women (and some men) simply having their say. The sheer quantity of replies supporting women’s rights are being dismissed as ‘pile ons’ and are dismissed as abuse, flying monkeys whatever.

It's just another form of DARVO.

Twitter pile ons?

Extremist trans activists: posting memes with ‘die terf’, issuing rape threats, doxxing threats and other vile and disgusting things. No evidence to support anything except that humpy graph for sex is a spectrum and the American Scientisf blog.

Women: posting the words ‘no thank you’, or ‘sex matters’, asking for evidence, pointing out biological differences, or saying ‘I disagree’ in various forms.

Oh! And those ‘pile ons’ are actually women (and some men) simply having their say. The sheer quantity of replies supporting women’s rights are being dismissed as ‘pile ons’ and are dismissed as abuse, flying monkeys whatever.

Because those expressing the opinions that are being disagreed with, have been told that people who disagree with them on twitter are trolls. When they are just people who disagree.

‘No debate’ is a dead slogan, but some trans activists act like it isn’t.

@goatsaregreat: You've gotta love an advocate for male supremacism trying to paint women as the extremists.

Nail meet hammer!

@ArabellaScott In case you or someone else haven't seen this compilation of remarks made by LP politicians voicing support of trans rights at the expense of women here's the link.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313

@newnamesa: Its so tiresome to face reality when you can lecture women on how they should SERVICE MEN BEEEE KINNNDDDDD!!!!!!!

LOL! Absolutely brilliant!

@barleybadminton
And this is the biggest GC self own ever - the idea that these law changes which predominantly took place in 1979, 1999, 2003 and 2011 were so secret that nobody even realised they had happened until 2017"

A disingenuous remark to say the least. Perhaps you can indicate which laws you are referring to. Perhaps you care to produce news articles up to 2003 regarding those laws. Which newspapers would have reported on these laws? Even up to 2003 the internet is nothing like it is today so probably only those affected would have been aware of any laws regarding transgender rights. I would argue that up until 2019 or thereabouts most people would have thought any law dealing with trans would only affect a infinitesimal number of people so wouldn't have paid much if any attention.

Yes, I think for many it's what it says about their judgement.

I don't really care about personal oddity - Canada used to have a PM who received policy advice from his dead mum and dead dog. But it was pretty good policy advice.

It really doesn't matter if they believe it or not. I don't care how many colleagues support Rosie Duffield in private or are secretly horrified at what's happening to vulnerable women in prison. They're not fucking saying anything!

Whether I vote for someone else or not, I won't vote Labour while this is their angle. I imagine all the genuine anguish on here from women who desperately want to vote Labour is just sneered at by Labour activists who have a sweepstakes running on where exactly the tipping point will be. "They'll vote for us, they always do" doesn't work in Scotland any more, it doesn't work in what was the red wall in the North of England, is it going to still be the case that teachers and social workers and the like still vote Labour by default? Are women going to vote Labour by default? Can Labour just continue sneering at people for cheering on a football team (Thornberry's infamous tweet) or believing there are two sexes and actually expect the people they treat with such distain to vote for them - out of a sense of duty?

Imagine trying to sell a car this way. Glossy magazine adverts, minute long adverts on prime time ITV, except the actual copy is something like "We think you're stupid, so you need our car. You better buy it, because the alternative brands are worse. Hurry up." Nobody is going to buy the fucking car.

That's in @Omicrone, their credibility is shot as far as I'm concerned. Either they believe what they're saying or they're trying to appease a particular group. Either way it's not good for women. I will not vote for that.

I've said it before, by while I am pretty aghast at Labour's approach to the gender identity thing, for me it's bigger than that.

It's the fact that these politicians have been so desperate to stick to the line they think they should stick to, that they have made some terrible judgements, said some ridiculous things, dangerous things even (eg. Lisa Nandy and prisons), things that they cannot possibly truly believe. They seem to have abandoned all critical thinking and lost their minds on this issue in their desperation to be seen as 'the good guys'. It's only now that the like of Wes Streeting are finally backtracking, but so much damage has been done. It just discredits them as politicians for me, and I just think, if they are capable of losing such basic common sense on this issue, what else are they capable of?

'It is wrong to say that only women have a cervix'.

Who else does then Keir? Are we delving into the animal kingdom again then or are we talking about humans?

Lifelong labour voter here but how can I vote for this idiot?

Fifteentoes if you think voters are unreasonable in their demands of the Labour Party, how do you explain voters whose entire voting history is Labour, Labour, Labour - for years - until suddenly they can't vote Labour any more? Have those voters suddenly become too demanding, or had Labour lost the plot?