Loudon school rapist put on sex registry for life

Ddraig- yes totally.

I wrote a long post on that point near start of thread.

Really super common usage? Nah. At least in London word moral can't remember last heard unless on TV vv occasionally.

You use bathrooms for bogs.

You've lived in USA? Or picked it up from net?

Where in UK are you roughly? Might of course be different how much in conversation etc morals/morality/immoral comes up. I obviously don't know everything though!

Not, as you say, that it makes a difference to the concerns about this case.

This is nothing to do with mortality.

It's about evidenced risk. It's about risks that have been understood globally and historically by all the billions of people who have lived on this planet.

It's an incredibly loaded word.

If you're not aware that the words moral / immoral are not highly associated with religion, especially of the more fundamental, strict, oppressive type. Then I'm surprised.

Thre word immoral doesn't conjure up a definite connection with religious condemnation for you?

You'll have to accept that for most here that's the result.

In UK we don't really have politicians or similar invoking morality. Maybe sometimes, DUP MP making anti abortion speech sort of area. But that's because of the stand of religion that some/many/all follow. And those beliefs include some that are ??? to pretty much everyone (assuming including NI but they're unionists so that's the main thing I assume when voting. Would have to look up anyone knows more please let me know!).

What's your definition of the term moral? really super common usage, I’m not redefining language here. ‘A moral (from Latin morālis) is a message that is conveyed or a lesson to be learned from a story or event.’ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral

I put the other point in because other responses have thought I have no grasp of the risks gender ideology poses and it needs explaining to me, so had to make it clear I do get that. And I said ‘as most know’ to try and avoid looking like I’m explaining it to others….

On the first wider point.

How many rapes in USA schools get properly handled rather than brushed under carpet.

In the UK we often hear on these very boards of how schools are desperate to keep some quite nasty cases of violent bullying quiet. Trying to "investigate" internally rather than involve the police.

So I don't doubt that covering up rapes happens too, the school's reputation being of greater concern than the welfare of the victim.

Moral message makes me think of religious fundamentalists tbh.

Eg
Iran morality police
The anti abortion polish govt and those who support. Resulting in use of a loophole to impose incredibly strict abortion laws. Some of the harshest in the world.

This is nothing to do with morality.

'the moral behind means the real message here, not an ethical question. The message as most on this thread are already well aware is not just that transwomen in women’s bathrooms can be dangerous to women, it’s that self id means all men are allowed in women’s bathrooms and removing barriers to access for men in women’s bathrooms is dangerous full stop. (Prisons, hospital wards...)'

What's your definition of the term moral?
In what sense are you using it there?

The 'message'?
Which message are you referring to? Who is sending a message to who and saying what?

I would take ethical to be a much more reasonable word to use (although still not entirely suited).

'most on this thread are already well aware is not just that transwomen in women’s bathrooms can be dangerous to women, '

No shit Sherlock!
Where did you pull this from?
What an odd statement.

Who on this thread has said ONLY TW are a risk to women in what were universally understood to be single sex facilities etc?

And not any other sort of male at all?
You think that's a thing that women/girls think???

You have no response to the fact the trans identity came from the victims father?

That he was targeted with insults and threats?
That he was described as transphobic, right wing etc?

That the fact his daughter was sexually attacked IN SCHOOL was for those who condemned him, of little interest. The REAL crime here, the terrible thing about it all was the 'transphoba'?

Come on. You need to address that.

And you need to explain why you feel that for her own father. This severe sexual assault was a handy excuse for him to denigrate trans people.

These are major points, and if you don't share your thinking, then we come to our own conclusions. You must want to explain your angle surely.

GC people got story buried?
No. Regular people and woke inclined people seized on the reporting inconsistencies where gc people were spreading this story and used it to say gc people were lying. So the issue got muddled.
the moral behind means the real message here, not an ethical question. The message as most on this thread are already well aware is not just that transwomen in women’s bathrooms can be dangerous to women, it’s that self id means all men are allowed in women’s bathrooms and removing barriers to access for men in women’s bathrooms is dangerous full stop. (Prisons, hospital wards...)

When I say nothing I mean nothing about the conviction and comments of the judge.

Nothing on Washington Post, New York Times or Boston Globe. Nothing on NPR either. (those are the ones I read/listen to).

True but given current general usage, doing it ends up in a pickle.

There is every reason to refer to a male who has or wishes to transition as a trans man, and to refer to a female who wishes to transition as a trans woman. Of course that will never happen, because the aim of the phrases 'trans woman' and 'trans man' is not to describe reality but to change people's perception of it.

I also note your your wording-

'moral issue'.

That's really interested and jumped out at me.

Why do you see this as a moral issue? The use of that word is very jarring to me.

'It was reasonably widely misreported in a few ways for some time. Partly because gender critical people jumped on it as a transgirl raped a girl in gender neutral bathrooms, which is unfortunate as it hides the very real moral here behind what does look like transphobia ie willing to believe anything if it makes trans people look bad. '

GC people got story buried?

It was the dad I'm sure who said transgender.

Why say that, most likely is because daughter said.

Why she say? Most likely because she assumed due to clothes.

What is everyone told to do?

Assume gender ID based on presentation, if not sure I'm to ask.

Had he told her or others in general was trans?
Was she used in class? By teachers etc?

Rather than OBVIOUSLY dad was more worked up about attacking trans people and using his daughters awful violation as a great opportunity to stick it to trans people? And when school said fuck off not interested. He thought yay! Reason to go public and really put the boot into single sex spaces and opposite sex use?

Really? That's a really huge and awful assumption to make.

Fyi I seem to remember sodomy has a different definition in USA to here can't remember which state it was but nevertheless. May not mean anal rape as we assume. Not that that makes any difference to anything really but still.

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Smith’s daughter testified that she’d previously had two consensual sexual encounters with her attacker in the school bathroom. On the day of her assault, they’d agreed to meet up again

Is this some attempt at mitigation?
They’d had sex before?

So everyone I’ve ever had sex with could rape me orally and anally after?

I agree the whole thing is a shit show and demonstrates what women have been saying all along, and still excuses are being made. People need to start losing their jobs over this. Its the only way it will be taken seriously.

Yep. And the father of the victim should have his sentence overturned and an apology given.

As far as I recall, his mother enabled his behavior and blamed his victims, she should be investigated too.

As far as I recall, his mother said he was 'gender fluid'.

Its funny how they stop being trans once their name is on the sex offenders register. So much for acceptance without exeption.

That was the only story I found about the 'Loudon rapist' on a quick search, on US news sites.

There's something on the DM, on Breitbart, RT ...

• and thanks for the link, OldCrone.

thanks, nauticant. I wondered what it would say.

So now I just have swears.