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CervixSampler · 12/01/2022 20:41

I've just read this in the local paper. From a personal point of view I am uncomfortable with the thought that a social worker is not the sex that I perceive them to be. Our family have a social worker due to my abusive exH and DV is discussed with her. A social worker is working with very vulnerable people and I would be very uncomfortable if my social worker turned out to the not biologically female. I'm autistic and struggle enough. My brain will not accept the opposite of what my eyes see. This trans woman is saying they have passing privilege but women know, especially in close up situations, what sex someone is.

I think it's wrong to be misleading people you are snogging at clubs. It takes away personal choice.

I could say a lot more but anyways fear the HQ hammer.

Bolton trans woman hits back at online trolls who say she is 'misleading' men www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/young-trans-woman-bolton-hits-22725721

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334bu · 12/01/2022 23:40

Must be a prodigy to have graduated and be working as social worker at 20, despite having to take time off for surgery.

GCMM · 12/01/2022 23:05

This person is not a social worker. They might possibly work in social care, as a support worker, for example, but that wage wouldn't have funded surgery to the tune of £30,000, that's for sure.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/01/2022 22:49

Haven’t a problem at all with her attitude to dating, I think it would be dangerous to tell any random in a nightclub that she is trans

Voice0fReason · 12/01/2022 22:41

A person's sex is relevant for some positions and if it is, then that would make that job unsuitable for anyone not of that sex. That includes transpeople as they have changed their gender identity, not their sex.
So I would not consider this person appropriate for any role that was female only.

The Social Worker job seems to be misleading so it isn't likely that is what she is doing.

I don't have a problem with how she is behaving as far as dating is concerned.
I do feel sad that she has spent so much money to look the way she does, I suspect it won't make her happy long term.

KittyLeMew · 12/01/2022 22:05

Yes how about GTF out of rape crisis orgs.

Co-signed.

KittyLeMew · 12/01/2022 22:00

Should GC women lose jobs, be no-platformed, have their businesses ruined, be trolled, cancelled, abused, threatened, fear ever speaking up for their rights openly on any public forum, and feel oppressed and fearful on a daily basis?

Just wondering.

Because that’s the situation currently.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/01/2022 21:54

I highly doubt they’re a social worker aged 20

The other stuff is entirely up to them.

oldwomanwhoruns · 12/01/2022 21:49

I'm sure that we can think of some more professions, Blueberry.
Like, how about not running rape crisis shelters?

BlueberryCheezecake · 12/01/2022 21:44

So what are you proposing, OP, should trans people be banned from being social workers? Any other profession you'd like to see them banned from while you're at it?

KimikosNightmare · 12/01/2022 21:40

UltraVividLament

Thank you. Your post wasn't there when I posted.

KimikosNightmare · 12/01/2022 21:35

I don't think she is under any obligation to tell randoms in bars. I don't think she's doing anything wrong.

Is it actually possible to be a social worker at age 20?

UltraVividLament · 12/01/2022 21:33

This person is not a registered social worker, at the age of 20 with having had all that surgery to alter their appearance. No one of their name is a registered social worker, you need a degree in social work as an entry requirement or a masters in social work after doing a different first degree. Either the journalist has misquoted or misunderstood this persons job, or they are exaggerating their job role themselves.

I also don't know any social workers who would pursue such a public profile in this way, for obvious reasons. So, I wouldn't think it likely that this person would be in a position to be working with vulnerable people in that way.

As for the clubbing situation, I don't think there's a need to declare trans status if you're interacting with people in the club. But if you end up in any kind of a more intimate situation then it's reasonable to be clear exactly what is being consented to.

PermanentTemporary · 12/01/2022 21:08

Person seeks media profile [shrugs]

ClumpingBambooIsALie · 12/01/2022 21:05

I can't see anything Tayla says in that article that's that much of a problem. I suppose you could argue that kissing someone without letting them know you're trans could be distressing for that person if they find out later and wouldn't have kissed you if they'd known you were male. But I would be trying to balance that against whether it's fair to expect a trans person to be constantly disclosing their trans status before even fairly minor intimate contact — it'd make nights out very awkward.

The social work thing, they didn't really say enough about to make a judgement. There are a lot of different types of job that come under that label. And I think TBH it's a matter of social services policy, not anything that's Tayla's responsibility to sort out.

timeisnotaline · 12/01/2022 20:54

There are two issues here- one is in her role as a social worker and we don’t know enough about how she communicates there, but agree dv victims shouldn’t feel deceived. The second is at clubs though and she says she tells anyone before meeting for a date, her tinder bio says trans etc, so that’s enough surely? I don’t see why a drunk guy buying her a drink or hitting on her gives her a responsibility to announce she’s trans, that does seem like a safety risk.

OneEpisode · 12/01/2022 20:52

A 20 year old social worker? Who a year ago spent £30k on facial surgery?

Waftypants · 12/01/2022 20:50

I also think its wrong if you're in a dating situation. But that's the entitled attitude that often comes with the TRA movement. Sexual attraction is entirely personal, any attempt at deception is wrong and not conducive to a trusting relationship.