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Another Government Department leaves Stonewall

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 10/01/2022 15:54

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10385223/Department-Business-ends-association-Stonewall-concern-lobbying.html

Announced today.

Hopefully this will keep up the pressure on the FCO.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 17/01/2022 11:49

@Leafstamp

Yes, my employer's attitude stinks.

I wrote to them (i use a pseudonym) and mentioned everything that they've done and how they've behaved, etc; and the D&I Director pretty much told me to piss off.

I was angry with her response, so I've been biding my time about whether it's worth getting in touch again.
But because of their (sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting), strategy, I have my doubts if (even after the Nolan report, etc), they'd quietly leave the scheme; cos I can't see them admitting they were wrong.

I'm rambling!

Another Government Department leaves Stonewall
Bearsinmotion · 12/01/2022 19:01

Oo, interesting that BEIS is out, that’s cheered me right up!

ScreamingMeMe · 12/01/2022 15:45

@Rightsraptor

I see there is 'unease' in Downing St about government departments leaving Stonewall's money making schemes. That'll be Carrie then.
I doubt she's the only one. Crispin Blunt and his behind-closed-doors meeting springs to mind, for one.
newnamesa · 12/01/2022 15:29

@Artichokeleaves

Will be nice when Carrie gets out of power. Never having been voted into it.
Not that nice if she is followed by Kier and cronies, not nice at all.
SimpleHoardOfTruth · 11/01/2022 22:03

@Artichokeleaves

Will be nice when Carrie gets out of power. Never having been voted into it.
I suspect it won't be long 🤞🏻
Spitspotsput · 11/01/2022 21:29

Yeah but look at the wonderful man who was…?

Artichokeleaves · 11/01/2022 21:22

Will be nice when Carrie gets out of power. Never having been voted into it.

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 11/01/2022 20:59

Good

Leafstamp · 11/01/2022 20:58

@Ameanstreakamilewide

I'm assuming (rightly or wrongly) that some of the orgs are leaving quietly and not publicising the decision?

If so, how do Sex Matters update the list?
I'm curious, cos i'd like to know if my employer has left and I reckon if they have left, they'd definitely do it in hushed tones.

I've had words with them about it before and their attitude stinks, frankly.

I think some are leaving quietly and hence the Sex Matters list is a prudent estimate, which is no bad thing. I'm guessing Sex Matter also has informants though. I saw someone on Twitter the other day say that their organisation (think it was public sector) was leaving but that they couldn't name the organisation until the end of March.

I think when one of the police forces left it was 'common knowledge' before it was 'public knowledge' due to a leak from a staff newsletter or something like that.

When you say their attitude stinks, do you mean your employer? Are they just ignoring the bad press etc?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 11/01/2022 18:54

I'm assuming (rightly or wrongly) that some of the orgs are leaving quietly and not publicising the decision?

If so, how do Sex Matters update the list?
I'm curious, cos i'd like to know if my employer has left and I reckon if they have left, they'd definitely do it in hushed tones.

I've had words with them about it before and their attitude stinks, frankly.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 19:09

AssignedBlobby

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 19:08

Ahh, I'd forgotten about the take over. Hm.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 10/01/2022 19:07

Ugh, I didn't know they had rejected a feminist group. And the Co-op bank is no longer owned by its members since it was taken over by a group of hedge funds a few years ago. It's really sad. It still has an ethical policy -- but I suspect the left's cock-eyed view of ethics these days would rule out feminist groups anyway.

AssignedBlobbyAtBirth · 10/01/2022 18:06

I can't bring myself to use the coop bank after they refused one of the women's groups an account, was it WPUK?, on the grounds that they are a hate group Hmm

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 17:54

Hm ... this was 2018 ...

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/06/15/co-op-bank-refuses-account-to-feminist-group-after-it-actively-denied-trans-rights/

will see if I can find a non pink-news link.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 17:52

Yes, exactly my thinking, thinking. Also run by members so I wonder if decisions like this are maybe made by vote or something?

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 10/01/2022 17:46

@ArabellaScott

Ooh, I see the Co op Bank is crossed off - hooray!
I didn't even know the Co-op Bank was on Stonewall's list -- but I'm delighted that it's now off!

This is very telling. The Co-op Bank trades very strongly on its ethical reputation. I would have expected it to automatically toe the Stonewall line, and I'm impressed that it has thought this through and decided not to.

bellinisurge · 10/01/2022 17:46

Tick tock , gents. Tick tock.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 16:34

That's 13 gov depts that have left so far, by my count.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 16:32

Ooh, I see the Co op Bank is crossed off - hooray!

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 16:31

Diversity Champions -

sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

There is this 'proud employers' thing, that is from Stonewall. Founding members are Mi5, MI6, GCHQ, Nestle, BP ... all good wholesome fun.

www.proudemployers.org.uk/founding-partners

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2022 16:28

Good, good.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 10/01/2022 16:24

I can see a wider issue for Government over the power of lobby groups so SW is becoming harder to justify.

Also in theory a Government shouldn’t need to be taught what the law says.

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Rightsraptor · 10/01/2022 16:16

I see there is 'unease' in Downing St about government departments leaving Stonewall's money making schemes. That'll be Carrie then.