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Why am I not surprised?

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FatFucker · 09/01/2022 00:09

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382291/Did-Hertfordshire-Police-force-break-uniform-code-transgender-trailblazer.html

One rule for women and another for transgender women.

Having long green nails and heavy makeup, breaches Hertfordshire Police Forces uniform policy, unless of course you're trans! Then you can do what you like to "feel like a woman".

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NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 20:13

you claimed to have seen the evidence in the first post on the Herts Police Twitter feed
No, I didn't.
Again, I said the first post I saw.
Not the first post on the feed!

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 20:12

Because
1) you'll get people denying there's any make up on in the first place and you're mistaken or something

No one has denied that their are women wearing make up.

2) because it's a shitty thing to do to link to someone's picture and start discussing how they look.

It is a shitty thing to do to judge someone’s skin colour. When it will have nothing to do with the make up neutrality policy.

TurquoiseBaubles · 09/01/2022 20:09

I can only presume that this thread is being reported repeatedly for a "pile-on" in the hopes of getting it deleted.

I don't expect it will be here in the morning.

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 20:09

@NoNotMeNoSiree you were the one who claimed that other police women officers were wearing heavy make-up, you claimed to have seen the evidence in the first post on the Herts Police Twitter feed, yet you refuse to prove this statement.

If, as you are determined to put forward, the TW is doing nothing different to other women police officers regarding make up and nails and you claimed to have actually seen this then the onus is on you to prove us all wrong that the rules have been set aside for this TW officer as that is the claim you are making.

You know what you have done wrong, we know what you have done wrong, anyone reading this thread knows what you have done wrong, you just haven't the guts to admit it.

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 20:07

@NoNotMeNoSiree

The only thing different about her is that she's trans Exactly. There was quite a lot of different police officers in the original series of tweets, which seemed to be about just showing them as normal (for want of a better word) human beings behind the uniform and not just a police officer. All wearing differing amounts of make up. Yet I didn't see anyone complaining that any of the non trans people were wearing too much mascara, the lipstick is too bright or whatever. Strange, that.
I also point out this post.

You, and blueberry egged you on, were so confident… then … nothing. From either of you.

Mind you, with the number of deletions of some posters, they might not come back for reasons to do with the number of deletions they get.

So, it fell to you. Maybe you expected support from those other posters?

Waitwhat23 · 09/01/2022 20:06

This is one of the most bizarre threads I have ever seen on this site.

The Police force are quoted as saying-

'Code And Standards Policy states: 'Individuals should keep make-up discreet or in connection with your religion/faith. Individuals in operational roles must ensure nails are kept short and any nail varnish must be neutral in colour.'

This applies to everyone. In this particular case, it is not being applied to everyone so those who are being expected to follow the standards are complaining that it is unfair that exemptions have been made, which it is.

It really doesn't matter if certain posters on here believe that police officers should be allowed to wear heavy make up or colourful nails. They are not allowed to under this policy. No-one is allowed to under this policy.

Sophoclesthefox · 09/01/2022 20:05
Grin
ArabellaScott · 09/01/2022 20:05

Tres auks. Grin

Why am I not surprised?
ArabellaScott · 09/01/2022 20:03
Blush
Why am I not surprised?
Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 20:03

Very awks, sophocles.

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 20:02

The first one I saw was someone looking like they're heavily tanned and like the fake tan bottle a lot or foundation.

The first one on the thread has been posted.

It is clear, despite your twisting, that you either lied to create an emphasis about how easy it was to find an example, or, you have judged a woman and been shown to be a hypocrite.

Which is it? Or is it something else that you might acknowledge?

Sophoclesthefox · 09/01/2022 20:01

Exactly, helle.

Like I said, it’s quite the pickle. Horrible to come off as being racially insensitive and judgemental about people wearing make up, while engaging in a lovely bout of scolding posters about being judgemental about people wearing make up…Grin

Awks.

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 19:58

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Because 1) you'll get people denying there's any make up on in the first place and you're mistaken or something 2) because it's a shitty thing to do to link to someone's picture and start discussing how they look.
And yet… YOU are the one making a judgement on that woman.

Not one other person on this thread.

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2022 19:57

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Because 1) you'll get people denying there's any make up on in the first place and you're mistaken or something 2) because it's a shitty thing to do to link to someone's picture and start discussing how they look.
Is it the second one I posted? You don't need to make any further comment on the woman's make up, just confirm it was this picture or a different one.
VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 19:57

Your twisting is not convincing anyone, why not just admit you fucked up @NoNotMeNoSiree? You may regain a smidge of credibility if you did.

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 19:57

@lovelyweathertoday

I'm quite taken by claiming there are photos of women also breaking the rules then refusing to show evidence when none of us can find it. It's a useless technique for those of us who want sensible discussion.
And… another poster declaring:

Spend two seconds on twitter, you can find countless pictures of non-trans women police officers wearing make-up and nail polish

Made outrageous statements about Mn FWR, as they perhaps do deliberately so to get their posts deleted. Their posts rarely stand. It is an excellent ploy if you wanted to make a prejudiced statement that you don’t really want to be left as evidence of your own prejudice.

It is mind numbingly obvious tactics once you see them.

Deny, deny, deny that you made an outrageous statement and then play distraction games to distract everyone from your offensive statement.

And still… not one post linking evidence of another female in that police force having the same ‘dispensation’ to break the dress code.

Not one.

And arabella has resorted to posting them now. Which, of course, shows that those posters declaring ‘the many’ are avoiding the fact that there are few, if any!

Plus the distractive disingenuous, why does it have to be the same police force??

Like, really?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 19:55

Like you said, you don't have to scroll far.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 19:53

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Again, I said the first tweet I saw. Not the first tweet of a woman officer. How many times does it need saying?!
How does that help?

I looked at the twitter account.

The one of the mixed heritage officer was literally the first tweet I saw too as well as the first one I saw showing a police officer. It was posted 10 hours ago, and is the most recent tweet posted.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 19:53

Because

  1. you'll get people denying there's any make up on in the first place and you're mistaken or something
  2. because it's a shitty thing to do to link to someone's picture and start discussing how they look.
VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 19:51

So link to this first tweet you saw on the official Herts Police Twitter thread.

Sophoclesthefox · 09/01/2022 19:51

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Again, I said the first tweet I saw. Not the first tweet of a woman officer. How many times does it need saying?!
Post it, then.

Why won’t you?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 19:51

Sophlocles again, I did not refer to that tweet.
You'll believe whatever though whatever I say, so do you.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 19:49

Again, I said the first tweet I saw.
Not the first tweet of a woman officer.
How many times does it need saying?!

Sophoclesthefox · 09/01/2022 19:48

Dear me. What a pickle.

Dilemma. Admit the picture you referred to showed a woman who describes herself as of mixed heritage and expose the unfortunate racist assumption, or comb desperately through the entire Twitter feed to try to find another photo of a woman who might be flouting the make up rules, BUT that can also be described as “not hard to find”…Better just to stonewall the questions altogether, I’d imagine 😬

Quick, pretend it doesn’t exist, like bernard’s question!

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 19:46

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Ah, Ok. Well just a quick look at Hert police twitter account you don't have to scroll far at all see pics of other women officers being shown. The first one I saw was someone looking like they're heavily tanned and like the fake tan bottle a lot or foundation. Is anyone commenting on her appearance (apart from me now obviously which feels a Hmm thing to do. Why aren't they? Can anyone think why that may be? Or is it just saved for what make up a trans woman is wearing?
Just to clarify in this post of yours @NoNotMeNoSiree you clearly state that the first picture of a woman officer you saw was someone looking like they're heavily tanned and like the fake tan bottle a lot or foundation.

These are your words, the first picture of a woman officer on the Herts Police Twitter feed is the one Arabella posted, can you confirm that you are now denying that is the image you referenced in your post?