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Why am I not surprised?

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FatFucker · 09/01/2022 00:09

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382291/Did-Hertfordshire-Police-force-break-uniform-code-transgender-trailblazer.html

One rule for women and another for transgender women.

Having long green nails and heavy makeup, breaches Hertfordshire Police Forces uniform policy, unless of course you're trans! Then you can do what you like to "feel like a woman".

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ShrillSiren · 09/01/2022 21:05

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 09/01/2022 21:02

@NoNotMeNoSiree

The only reason not to simply clear up which Twitter post you were referencing is if you know you've misjudged No, the reasons posted upthread. As I said it was NOT about that tweet.
So which one was it about?

You were sure enough it was relevant to mention it, so why not confirm which one?

You sound willing to judge people for making statements they fully believe in, sharing examples of why they have those beliefs. But you say what you believe, claim it's evidenced, refer to what you say is a specific example... then won't shared said example.

It makes you look very insincere.

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NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 20:56

The only reason not to simply clear up which Twitter post you were referencing is if you know you've misjudged
No, the reasons posted upthread.
As I said it was NOT about that tweet.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 20:53

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Why did you copy and paste part of Bernard's post without answering the direct question? I already said. Because they're not all ears at all, when they can take a thread about a trans police officer 's make up and try to turn it into rapists in prisons. Why would they do that?
Goodness me. On a thread where you are dodging very simple questions, why would anyone be reminded of other times you've exhibited the same behaviour. It's a mystery.

do you think red or green are neutral nail colours?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 20:53

That was why I didn't answer the question the first time it was asked for clarity and it doesn't matter who says it or how many times, as its clear the all ears wasn't genuine.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 20:51

Why did you copy and paste part of Bernard's post without answering the direct question?
I already said.
Because they're not all ears at all, when they can take a thread about a trans police officer 's make up and try to turn it into rapists in prisons.
Why would they do that?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 20:50

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Anyways. This is ridiculous. I've said why I'm not linking, and people are free to look themselves at Twitter, it's hardly some secret corner of the Internet. People say I'm ignoring questions but funny how no one's pulling up on the male rapists in prisons bit by another poster. On a completely unrelated thread about trans women police officers wearing make up.
Yes. We have looked. That is, in fact, your problem.

We have seen that the first post anyone sees of a female officer on the Herts forve twitter is the post today of a "mixed heritage female officer".

It meets the criteria you described (first post showing a female officer, not having to scroll far). We do not need advanced probability to make this calculation.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 09/01/2022 20:47

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Come on now.

The only reason not to simply clear up which Twitter post you were referencing is if you know you've misjudged and said the fake tan comment about someone you now realise is not white.

If you just said 'oh shit, I made a bad call there I shouldn't have said that' it would have been refreshing but instead you've doubled down and refused to simply say which one you meant.

So why not just take a deep breath and either admit a fuck up or share the post you actually were referencing?

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 20:46

Bernard asked: do you think red or green are neutral nail colours?

This IS an easy question too to answer.

Are these colours neutral in your opinion?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 20:45

Anyways.
This is ridiculous.
I've said why I'm not linking, and people are free to look themselves at Twitter, it's hardly some secret corner of the Internet.
People say I'm ignoring questions but funny how no one's pulling up on the male rapists in prisons bit by another poster.
On a completely unrelated thread about trans women police officers wearing make up.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 20:44

@NoNotMeNoSiree

You said you didn't need to scroll far at all to see pics of other women being shown Which you don't.

So the first one [you] saw was?
What?!
No.
I never said it was the first one!
Blimey.

So the "first one [you] saw" was?
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 20:43

@NoNotMeNoSiree

I'm all ears Grin No, you're not. You make that perfectly clear when you manage to try and make the thread about male rapists and prisons when it's about a trans woman and make up.
Why did you copy and paste part of Bernard's post without answering the direct question?

How can you miss a question to you within a post? Do you only read alternate sentences?

Bernard asked: do you think red or green are neutral nail colours?

Why am I not surprised?
NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 20:42

You said you didn't need to scroll far at all to see pics of other women being shown
Which you don't.

So the first one [you] saw was?
What?!
No.
I never said it was the first one!
Blimey.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 20:32

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Ah, Ok. Well just a quick look at Hert police twitter account you don't have to scroll far at all see pics of other women officers being shown. The first one I saw was someone looking like they're heavily tanned and like the fake tan bottle a lot or foundation. Is anyone commenting on her appearance (apart from me now obviously which feels a Hmm thing to do. Why aren't they? Can anyone think why that may be? Or is it just saved for what make up a trans woman is wearing?
You were very clear.

You said you didn't need to scroll far at all to see pics of other women being shown.

Well, that would be true. It's the top tweet, just beneath the pinned tweet.

So the first one [you] saw was?

Are you accessing Twitter from an alternate timeline in which that isn't the most recent tweet of a female police officer?

Or in a Tardis?

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 09/01/2022 20:32

@NoNotMeNoSiree, you say you're a woman (the 'classic' kind)

so I guess you will have, at a number of times during your life, raised your eyes to the heavens and thought 'it's one fucking rule for men and another one for women'

the article in the OP was reporting on one of those times

VioletLemon · 09/01/2022 20:31

JFC I'm so tired of this.
We need new language around "gender" and a new set of standards which include separate toilets, changing rooms etc for trans people.
Women and girls need to decide what is appropriate for their spaces that safeguard.
Trans people can be respected, celebrated and participate aswell as having their own trans spaces.
It needs to be legislated, women need this legislation because we have been oppressed and discriminated against based on our sex.
Beliefs and feelings are not fucking biological sex.

Sophoclesthefox · 09/01/2022 20:29

Well the poster in question themselves tends to pick on one thing someone has said and bangs on and on and on about it to the exclusion of all else so surely the rule of if you give it out you take it should apply here

Exactly. People who have been subjected to this treatment from this user before can hardly be blamed for dishing it back out.

TInkyWlnky · 09/01/2022 20:26

@NoNotMeNoSiree

you claimed to have seen the evidence in the first post on the Herts Police Twitter feed No, I didn't. Again, I said the first post I saw. Not the first post on the feed!
Are we to assume that this is a racist incident on your part then, if you're not sharing your findings which should be easily found on a public twitter account?
VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 20:21

@TurquoiseBaubles

I can only presume that this thread is being reported repeatedly for a "pile-on" in the hopes of getting it deleted.

I don't expect it will be here in the morning.

Well the poster in question themselves tends to pick on one thing someone has said and bangs on and on and on about it to the exclusion of all else so surely the rule of if you give it out you take it should apply here.
IamAporcupine · 09/01/2022 20:20

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Because 1) you'll get people denying there's any make up on in the first place and you're mistaken or something 2) because it's a shitty thing to do to link to someone's picture and start discussing how they look.
You have to be kidding me.

If you really believed the OP was wrong and prejudiced against TW (eg policing what TW can/cannot wear), you will come up with evidence of a series of female officers wearing bright makeup, hence proving your point. Simple.

Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 20:18

No, I didn't.
Again, I said the first post I saw.
Not the first post on the feed!

How do you enter a twitter timeline without seeing the first posts on the timeline?

Deliberate scrolling to find a ‘gotcha’? That then backfired?

Waitwhat23 · 09/01/2022 20:17

@Helleofabore

This is what happens when posters hold such a prejudiced view of the regular poster’s on this board.

They simply cannot acknowledge when an OP has a point.

They simply must argue around and around that posters are hateful, because that may be the prejudice the poster’s have. And then use racist statements and bizarre takes to attempt to discredit posters.

I have to agree with this post. At some point, surely, there must be some sort of realisation that arguing that something is hateful, despite evidence, is just taking a pointlessly contrary view because of your own biases?

The particular situation outlined in the OP is unfair to those who are expected to follow the policy. Those affected by this situation have complained because it is unfair. You really can't get away from that.

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 20:15

So which was the first post you saw?

You can clear this up in a heartbeat seems strange you don't want to bearing in mind the impression you are fostering with your refusal.

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2022 20:14

So.
Which.
Post.
Is.
It.