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Article on the Impact of Trans Ideology from the Economist

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Chickenkatsu · 08/01/2022 20:38

GENDER DYSPHORIA, the often agonising feeling that one has been born in the wrong body, is listed in the American Psychiatric Association’s “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders”. So Katherine (not her real name) was surprised, in her first week at Louisiana State University School of Medicine, when a lecturer told a class that gender dysphoria was not a mental illness. It suggested that gender-identity ideology, which holds that transgender women are women and trans men are men, had influenced some of those who were training her to be a doctor.

More evidence followed. An endocrinologist told a class that females on testosterone had a similar risk of heart attack to males (they have a much higher risk). Debate about all this was apparently off-limits. How has trans ideology made its way into medical schools?

Professional bodies, including the American Academy of Paediatrics, have endorsed “gender-affirmative” care, which accepts patients’ self-diagnosis that they are trans. This can mean the prescription of puberty blockers for children as young as nine. Trans medicine is not a core part of medical schools’ curriculums. But an academic paediatrician (who did not want her name, institution or state to appear in this story) says that all medical students understand that they are expected to follow the affirmation model “uncritically and unquestioningly”. For most doctors that will mean referring a patient to a gender clinic, some of which prescribe blockers or crosssex hormones on a first visit. “We treat infections with antibiotics, no questions asked—it is just exactly like that,” she says.

Affirmative care has done irreversible harm to some young people’s bodies. This has become especially clear from the experience of “detransitioners” who regret taking hormones or having their breasts or genitals removed. Puberty blockers also prevent bones from developing properly; when combined with cross-sex hormones they can lead to infertility and inability to have an orgasm. A 26-year-old student at a medical school in Florida who plans to become a paediatrician is shocked by what she has not been taught about these treatments. “With other diseases and treatments we are taught in such depth about every possible side-effect,” she says.

Medical-school academics suggest two reasons for all this. One (reflected in the fact that none wanted their names published) is fear. Some trans-rights activists bully anyone who expresses concerns publicly. The other is ignorance. A paediatrician who teaches at a medical school in Florida says once doctors have finished their training, many pay scant attention to new medical research but rely on the media for information. In America there has been little coverage of the dangers of blockers or the woes of detransitioners.

Last year Marci Bowers, a surgeon (and trans woman) who performs vaginoplasties and phalloplasties, said she no longer approved of the use of puberty blockers because they left surgeons with too little genital material to work with and led to a loss of sexual function. This, extraordinarily, appeared to surprise some gender-clinic medics. Ignoring the difference between biological sex and gender at medical school has other risks. Several diseases present differently in men and women or are more common in one sex than the other. A doctor who treats a trans man, say, as a man might miss something important.

Katherine, the student in Louisiana, worries about the effects on female patients. As a black woman, she is acutely aware that “when physicians have an implicit bias against black people, it leads to poorer delivery of care”. Gender-identity ideology, with the use of such terms as “bodies with vaginas” in medical journals, has “increased bias against women by normalising dehumanising language and by ginning up hatred of women who assert their boundaries”. She is concerned that doctors who have absorbed these views during training may be less likely to deliver highquality care to female patients.

She also worries that gender ideology is impeding the development of medical students’ critical judgment. “It’s a problem”, she says, “when doctors start believing that they can simply ignore medical evidence and scientific facts that they don’t like.” ■

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DoubleTweenQueen · 09/01/2022 13:06

@OldCrone Taken from CQC.org website:

Gillick competence

Victoria Gillick challenged Department of Health guidance which enabled doctors to provide contraceptive advice and treatment to girls under 16 without their parents knowing. In 1983 the judgement from this case laid out criteria for establishing whether a child under has the capacity to provide consent to treatment; the so-called ‘Gillick test’. It was determined that children under 16 can consent if they have sufficient understanding and intelligence to fully understand what is involved in a proposed treatment, including its purpose, nature, likely effects and risks, chances of success and the availability of other options.

If a child passes the Gillick test, he or she is considered ‘Gillick competent’ to consent to that medical treatment or intervention. However, as with adults, this consent is only valid if given voluntarily and not under undue influence or pressure by anyone else. Additionally, a child may have the capacity to consent to some treatments but not others. The understanding required for different interventions will vary, and capacity can also fluctuate such as in certain mental health conditions. Therefore each individual decision requires assessment of Gillick competence.

If a child does not pass the Gillick test, then the consent of a person with parental responsibility (or sometimes the courts) is needed in order to proceed with treatment.

  • this is how consent will be put in the child’s hands
OldCrone · 09/01/2022 12:55

The court of appeal decided doctors could decide whether the child had capacity to consent and if they did then the child could decide.

I wonder how many doctors will be prepared to say that they believe a child has the capacity to consent to sterilisation and loss of sexual function.

IvyTwines · 09/01/2022 12:48

@Datun "There are lawsuits pending regarding the use of Lupron. And lawyers touting for business online."

Check out the Wikipedia page for Leuprorelin, under the sections 'controversy' and 'Lupron protocol'. I can't help feeling, in a country where the government once experimented with LSD on unwitting citizens, what's going on here with young people is a similar sort of live and lucrative experiment. When I think of the impact of social media and, increasingly, the US mainstream media on this generation, I'm often reminded of Douglas Adams' 'Dish of the Day', a sort of cow that has been bred to actively want to be consumed.

Lovelyricepudding · 09/01/2022 12:20

@Linguini

The court of appeal decided that, although a child cannot consent themselves to puberty blockers, it's up to individual doctors and parents to decide on the child's behalf rather than the courts themselves, as the KB ruling originally stated.

So no the KB case was not a resounding loss in fact it will result in much more scrutiny of individual medical practitioners and parents when it all goes wrong.

No, the court if appeal did not decide doctors could consent on a child's behalf. The court of appeal decided doctors could decide whether the child had capacity to consent and if they did then the child could decide.
GoodieMoomin · 09/01/2022 11:36

I was going to mention Oxy but i see someone already has. I watched the drama last week and it made me absolutely sick to my stomach. I can't decide what made me angriest but I was particularly horrified that people in positions of power e.g. regulators and officials often ended up working for Purdue. Effectively, if you're a government employee and let the pharma companies get away with murder, you'll have a very lucrative job waiting for you at the end of your tenure.

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 09/01/2022 11:01

17,000 30,000 children harmed by Sodium Valproate will probably be a drop in the ocean of children harmed by gender affirming medicine and ideology.

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 09/01/2022 10:59

@DrBlackbird I watched the Dopesick drama recently and was struck by how long Perdue were able to aggressively push OxyContin onto the market and target every relevant department/organisation/doctors like you say. The similarities between that and what is happening now with gender based healthcare are surely enough to set alarms ringing but it seems unlikely that the push to affirm and medicate is going to stop any time soon.

My daughter has had epilepsy since she was a baby and has taken Sodium Valproate since she was 3 years old. Even at that age we were warned about the dangers of it to pregnant women and told she would have to come off it once she reached adulthood because the risks to unborn babies should she become pregnant are too great. I was shocked to find out then that the drug was still being given to adult women in France despite the makers knowing exactly how harmful it could be.

Some 17,000 - 30,000 children have been needlessly harmed by this drug. All because money is more important than lives to drug companies.
www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4446

DrBlackbird · 09/01/2022 09:59

Medicine is especially susceptible to this kind of ideological take-over phenomenon because it has very powerful professional hierarchies, huge conformity pressures and a culture of protecting its own

Not to mention its for-profit nature in the North America. In the case of Purdue Pharma it took decades for some concerned doctors and researchers to get the press to shine a light on how Purdue’s premium but highly addictive pain drug OxyContin got to be the drug of choice prescribed by hundreds of thousands of GPS. The short answer: it wasn’t an accident

Though the strategic machinations of Purdue targeting medical schools, pain management committees, state medical boards, the FDA, ordinary GPS, patients, even the WHO, etc were hidden and/or ignored for a long time.

I am not saying that the same deliberate strategies are now behind the full scale sweep of the affirmative approach. Just interesting. Why does an intelligent female GP friend in Canada so wholeheartedly and enthusiastically prescribe puberty blockers to children and teenagers genuinely believing that she’s doing the right thing?

web.missouri.edu/~glaserr/3700s18/Opioids-topic/Purdue-Pharma-Stops.pdf

www.proquest.com/openview/188c7f739be7f565e3505f103f836946/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=2043523

www.cmaj.ca/content/185/13/1121.short

highame · 09/01/2022 09:56

I really do like the Economist. Facts are used very effectively

Doubletoilandtrouble · 09/01/2022 09:42

The Swedish documentary about trans children showed how badly things could go wrong (fragile bones, fractures, constant pain) and how the doctors kept blaming other departments. Sweden isn’t big on lawsuits but if I remember correctly, these cases (and media looking into them) put a stop to puberty blockers at the hospital where it happened.

DoubleTweenQueen · 09/01/2022 09:14

@RobotValkyrie unable to quote your comment where you mentioned exploring mental heath issues - this is up for being made illegal through the bill to ban conversion therapies, unless very clear safeguards / clear distinctions are put in place, but I'm not confident that will happen, looking at what professional bodies have stated.

DoubleTweenQueen · 09/01/2022 09:01

Exasperating, isn't it

OperationDessertStorm · 09/01/2022 01:56

A 20 year old with spina bifida sued her mothers doctor (and won) recently for not advising her to take folic acid before her pregnancy. I was surprised because I thought that folic acid was widely known to be recommended to women ttc 20 years ago and I didn’t think they would go after the doctor personally for not specifically recommending it. But they have been able too.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/breaking-news/gp-who-lost-folic-acid-legal-case-will-not-appeal-verdict/

Not the midwives or the trust or the hospital- they’ve named the gp doctor personally. Which is interesting.

lanadelgrey · 09/01/2022 00:18

Economist writers don’t normally have bylines

Abitofalark · 09/01/2022 00:03

Who is the author of the article?

Apollo441 · 08/01/2022 23:36

The Bell case did not say children could consent but doctors could on their behalf if they believed the children understand the consequences. The judges made it very clear that the doctors could be sued if they got it wrong and the child later regrets it. Good luck with the queue of medics lining up for that. Last I heard the psychologists were passing the buck to the endocrinologists who were passing it to surgeons. No one will continue to butcher children.

HerewardTheWoke · 08/01/2022 23:19

The fact that doctors don't question gender medicine leaders about the evidence for gender dysphoria interventions and their side effects is incredibly revealing. It shows that an key function of espousing gender ideology is in fact cultural signalling between elites that you are part of the in-group. There is no other reason I can think of for gender medicine not being subjected to the usual evidence-based scrutiny that every other branch of medicine normally receives, or for the penalties that people report suffering if they do try to challenge it.

Medicine is especially susceptible to this kind of ideological take-over phenomenon because it has very powerful professional hierarchies, huge conformity pressures and a culture of protecting its own. Junior people can't question the evidence because they are professionally too vulnerable. Senior people won't question the evidence because to do so would be existential for a whole branch of medicine. And senior doctors do not want to throw other senior doctors out of the club.

And then once one elite profession buys into the ideology, all the other elite professions and institutions (academia, politics, civil service) fall like dominoes, because nobody wants to stand outside the in-group.

JellySaurus · 08/01/2022 22:48

We treat infections with antibiotics, no questions asked

Not even
is this infection bacterial or viral?"
Or
"Are you allergic to penicillin?"
Or
"Could you be pregnant?" (Oh, look, sex is relevant.)

Nothing in medicine is done 'no questions asked'.

goutabout · 08/01/2022 22:30

(Disclaimer: I'm a researcher, not a lawyer!) I'm assuming that this is conditional upon the person (adult or child) giving informed consent. If they are given material and support so they can accurately understand the procedures, forseeable outcomes, risks and benefits, reversibility and other implications of treatment, their consent can be seen as valid.

If consent is not informed, e.g. information is withheld or they don't understand it, or if there is no evidence that consent was informed, it may not be valid, and I expect that is where the lawsuits will begin.

As with many aspects of this phenomenon, there will no doubt be an ever-growing queue of vultures looking to profit from people's hopes and distress.

Datun · 08/01/2022 22:28

@Linguini

The court of appeal decided that, although a child cannot consent themselves to puberty blockers, it's up to individual doctors and parents to decide on the child's behalf rather than the courts themselves, as the KB ruling originally stated.

So no the KB case was not a resounding loss in fact it will result in much more scrutiny of individual medical practitioners and parents when it all goes wrong.

Quite. What it actually did is put those doctors under far more of a microscope they they were before.

A very useful turn of events if you believe doctors are being taught erroneously.

Linguini · 08/01/2022 22:08

The court of appeal decided that, although a child cannot consent themselves to puberty blockers, it's up to individual doctors and parents to decide on the child's behalf rather than the courts themselves, as the KB ruling originally stated.

So no the KB case was not a resounding loss in fact it will result in much more scrutiny of individual medical practitioners and parents when it all goes wrong.

Goatsaregreat · 08/01/2022 22:06

It is shocking how the medical profession have been targeted. I suppose if you want to promote a lie then rich, powerful men know only too well how to target the institutions of power - the law, government, education and of course medicine. Every now and again I go back to the Denton's report to remind myself how all this has been enacted.

Datun · 08/01/2022 22:00

There's only been Bell that I'm aware of and that was a resounding loss.

There are lawsuits pending regarding the use of Lupron. And lawyers touting for business online.

Dangerous drugs being used off label is bad enough. But let's see what happens when the medics claim they are being taught to accept something with no evidence.

Chickenkatsu · 08/01/2022 21:59

@barleybadminton You're telling me that no lawyer on Earth can work with a client who has had their genitals removed?

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OldCrone · 08/01/2022 21:47

Perhaps you could explain to us @barleybadminton how a nine year old child (or even a young teenager) can have an adult understanding of what it means to be sterilised and lose their sexual function?

The evidence of the child witnesses presented by GIDS in the Keira Bell case indicated that the children in their care do not have an adult understanding of these issues.