Newson health - menopause specialists, say trans & non binary people experience menopause

I actually think it is good that it lists out women and trans and binary. It shows that trans are not women.

I’m not too bothered about “woman and...”, although it does imply that woman is a gender rather than a sex. As I don’t have a gender I don’t come under any of the categories listed. At least the word woman is there.

As for it only being ‘for decades’ that women have had the menopause/ suffered with symptoms of the menopause...

Yes this is factually correct: "Women, and trans and non-binary people..."

They put women first and are not afraid to use that word. Then, in order to include females who don't want to be called women, they list trans and non-binary people. It would have been better if they'd said female trans and non-binary people, given what we know about some TW trying to claim female biological phenomena, but in the current situation, this is what I would want them to do in preference to pretending women aren't a thing and erasing/sidelining the category of woman.

It is right to be inclusive in this way, especially given how many people are being told that being non-binary is "valid" and that TWAW, TMAM etc. and so genuinely won't see themselves as women (which is not a good thing in my view but they still need to be included).

'Decades'?

WTF?

Look - if you can double your client base at a stroke… ££££

Not sure what a menopause hormone deficiency is, not why females have only experienced it for decades, but I can't object to the phrasing 'women and....' tbh.

Assuming that by 'trans' people, they mean transmen (I.e. biological females), then I have less issue with it than if they had said uterus havers or similar which seems to be the fashion here in Scotland. I prefer women and.... to dehumanising body part terms.

I find it better than the awful dehumanising language that is so often used these days, such as period-haver, or uterus owner or whatever. Or even "non-men" that some organisations have used. At least they have used the word "woman" and not hidden it away.

What is very odd is the idea that the menopause has only been an issue for decades, rather than the dawn of humanity. Perhaps they mean that individual women can suffer for decades? Odd.

Women, and trans and non-binary people, have been suffering with the menopause hormone deficiency for decades

Back in the real world, it's all humans of the adult female variety suffer menopause, and not just "decades" either, since time immemorial.

I will grant then the olive branch or "bridge" or whatever, for remembering the word "women" in the first place.

But not all transpeople will experience it, not all non binary people will experience it.
Females who live long enough experience it.

I think she’s probably talking about transmen, and to be honest it’s better than saying uterus-havers. It’s just a bit annoying because it gives equal amounts of space to groups that are numerically a minuscule percentage.

I don’t know what the answer is really. How to use inclusive without being slightly bonkers.

In fact any female person can suffer menopause... gee who would have thought that

FFS they must understand biological reality how can they be prepared to pretend they don’t

That sentence doesn't even make any sense! Surely if it said 'suffering with estrogen deficiency' it would make more sense?
But which trans people does she mean?
Transmen who don't take hormones and haven't had surgery?
Surely transwomen are already taking regular HRT (if they've gone down that path?)

At least it hasn't been reduced to uterus-havers :(