Gender Ideology harming women and children in India

WandaWomblesaurus73 · 2022-01-07T23:49:13+00:00

https://vaishnavisundar.com/ezine/indian-ezine-gender-ideology/ What the hell is Nancy doing? Is she some kind of Gender Emissary Missionary colonising everywhere else now?

ScreamingMeMe · 09/01/2022 15:10

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Western organisations are all over the place, imposing their values and priorities on India, regardless of the objections from Indian feminists.

This is a quote from an article by Jo Bartosch, concerning the organisation Mama Cash.

In 2018, international and domestic NGOs collaborated to prevent the passing of the Trafficking of Persons Bill in India. This was heralded as a victory by the Netherlands-based Mama Cash, which claimed the bill, “conflated trafficking with sex work, which would have increased stigma, discrimination and violence against sex workers, reduced their autonomy and agency, and threatened their human rights”.

The campaign, part funded by Mama Cash, undermined the work of grassroots feminist activists in India like Vaishnavi Sundar. After years of working to stop the sex trade, Sundar, a documentary film-maker and activist based in Chennai, sees the halting of the anti-trafficking bill as a form of ideological imperialism:

“In a country that is known for its ineffectual jurisprudence where women fight for three or four decades for any legal recourse, it is disquieting to see Western organisations like Mama Cash siding with groups that further amplify women’s sexual exploitation. While ‘sex work’ may benefit a minority group, to halt a bill that could potentially save thousands of children over semantics is cruel and anti-women.”

www.thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2021/putting-women-last/

DisgustedofManchester

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Delighted to see you return to this subject! Please return to the thread you initiated on the safety and welfare of female prisoners, where I replied to you, and engage in the discussion. I would appreciate your responses to the questions I asked.

P.S. I actually have the stats on sexual assaults in the women's estate for 2012 and 2013. The impact that policy changes since then have had is obvious and negative.

That's disgusting.

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 09/01/2022 13:32

This discussion casts a wider net and much needed scrutiny of Stonewalls operations in other countries. There is another thread about their financial records that directly relates to this. Public money is being put into this.

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catzwhiskas · 09/01/2022 12:10

We have had to withdraw our very small financial donations from one of the NGOs involved previously in supporting women and children in the “red light” areas, as they now also pride themselves on inclusion policies. We are sure this is entirely pushed by other , mostly American funders and astonished to see the hold the ideology has in India.
To those pp here complaining that we do not notice other harms done, How fucking dare you come on and tell us what we should or shouldnt talk about, do, or think.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/01/2022 08:59

This is shocking and unfortunately not just happening in India. A short article and video about gender ideology being pushed in Afghanistan. $787 million dollars is reported to have been spend on gender programmes in Afghanistan. There is a link in the article to a Twitter quote from an USAID representative, which states gender ideology had to be part of a lot of projects and created instability, causing caused many revolts. spectatorworld.com/topic/did-gender-studies-lose-afghanistan/

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 09/01/2022 08:32

It's all rather ironic really when the group of people are pushing this are the same group of people saying we're supposed to tear down remnants of colonialism. Why? To make way for their new version?

Good question, aweegc. I often wonder why more people don't point out the glaring contradictions in woke ideology.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/01/2022 01:58

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Here's a link in case you are confused about how to find the thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4356627-Womens-Wellbeing-in-Prisons?msgid=114062444#114062444

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/01/2022 20:14

Western organisations are all over the place, imposing their values and priorities on India, regardless of the objections from Indian feminists.

This is a quote from an article by Jo Bartosch, concerning the organisation Mama Cash.

In 2018, international and domestic NGOs collaborated to prevent the passing of the Trafficking of Persons Bill in India. This was heralded as a victory by the Netherlands-based Mama Cash, which claimed the bill, “conflated trafficking with sex work, which would have increased stigma, discrimination and violence against sex workers, reduced their autonomy and agency, and threatened their human rights”.

The campaign, part funded by Mama Cash, undermined the work of grassroots feminist activists in India like Vaishnavi Sundar. After years of working to stop the sex trade, Sundar, a documentary film-maker and activist based in Chennai, sees the halting of the anti-trafficking bill as a form of ideological imperialism:

“In a country that is known for its ineffectual jurisprudence where women fight for three or four decades for any legal recourse, it is disquieting to see Western organisations like Mama Cash siding with groups that further amplify women’s sexual exploitation. While ‘sex work’ may benefit a minority group, to halt a bill that could potentially save thousands of children over semantics is cruel and anti-women.”

www.thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2021/putting-women-last/

DisgustedofManchester

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Delighted to see you return to this subject! Please return to the thread you initiated on the safety and welfare of female prisoners, where I replied to you, and engage in the discussion. I would appreciate your responses to the questions I asked.

P.S. I actually have the stats on sexual assaults in the women's estate for 2012 and 2013. The impact that policy changes since then have had is obvious and negative.

ScrollingLeaves · 08/01/2022 19:29

That is very interesting ArabellaScott, thank you and the OP. I for one would never have known anything at all otherwise about these issues as they relate outside the West.

ArabellaScott · 08/01/2022 18:10

Thread on Vaishnavi's cancellation: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3992411-Indian-feminist-Vaishnavi-Sundar-on-being-cancelled

There was a good article on hijra and transgenderism recently - annoyingly I can't find it, but this one is maybe making some similar points: www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/netflix-s-queer-eye-we-re-japan-highlights-big-problem-ncna1078756

ScrollingLeaves · 08/01/2022 16:47

@BlueberryCheezecake
“This. People are outraged and disgusted about a move to support LGBT people in countries with poor human rights records?”

It is not really a move to support LGB people so much as T people. It is difficult to be gay in India. I saw a documentary about Lady Boys and it seemed clear they were effeminate boys whose only way out was to be ‘Lady Boys’ but they were attracted to other men. One of these shown committed suicide when his/her boyfriend was made to marry.

It seems like the trend for being trans gender will suit Indians and further outlaw the boys there from being simply gay.

Sophoclesthefox · 08/01/2022 16:34

It really is, wanda. He won’t come back now, the tactic is usually a one post plop, so hopefully you will be able to get on with discussing this in peace.

Thank you for bringing the issue to my attention. The prospect of womens rights being rolled back in countries where they are still so fragile is horrifying. I’m never sure why earnest people who would be the first to call out “colonialism” don’t perceive it when it’s happening like this…

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 08/01/2022 14:57

The gall to come here and criticise women for talking about biological sex and gender as to how it affects women - is a DICK move to be honest.

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yourhairiswinterfire · 08/01/2022 14:50

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Fancy that, women discussing issues relating to sex and gender on the Sex and Gender board.

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Love policing this board, don't you? If you're not telling us how we should be spending our own money, you're telling us what we should and shouldn't care about.

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Wasn't it you that made a thread here about women's prisons purely to goad and shame women for not talking about one specific issue, and got your arse handed to you when posters linked to a thread where they were discussing that very issue on the Feminist Chat board, the board more appropriate for that discussion? I don't think you ever came back to that thread, did you? You also said that housing convicted male rapists with women is ''the right decision''.

Tell me you don't really care , indeed.

Rummikub · 08/01/2022 14:18

That excellent scary article is clear and incredibly direct.

It has concerning consequences. Agree with you op.

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 08/01/2022 14:15

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

And also don't presume tell me what I can or can't talk about in relation to the women and girls of my country. I'm an Indian woman - I can discuss whatever I fucking want.

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 08/01/2022 14:13

Stonewall and sex change surgeons are motivated by money and not morality - what do we think is going to happen when they enter places where they can do what they like?

In a country that already has an appalling history of how it treats women and children - do we honestly see good things happening?

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ScreamingMeMe · 08/01/2022 14:09

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

Tell me you haven't read the full thread without telling me you haven't read the full thread.

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 08/01/2022 14:06

nationalpost.com/news/activists-in-india-outraged-over-secret-drug-trials-on-children/wcm/8eed0853-0763-4a8e-a622-96eb43086a44/amp/

Something that growing up in an Indian family I saw on a regular basis was how girls were treated as inferior to boys - I was supposed to be in an arranged marriage and ended up being taken into care. I've seen it first hand.

There is a lot of reasons girls might want to switch sides. It won't help them. Producing offspring is a poor teenagers market value. What these girls will be are bodies to experiment on.

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 08/01/2022 13:59

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 08/01/2022 13:58

I'm Indian - so this is close to my heart. There are a few others here who are Indian too.

My fear is that transgender surgeries are going to be tried out on Indian children - as experiments.

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EishetChayil · 08/01/2022 13:55

Stonewall needs to be fucking closed down.

BlueberryCheezecake · 08/01/2022 13:53

@DisgustedofManchester

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

This. People are outraged and disgusted about a move to support LGBT people in countries with poor human rights records? Some people here need to take a good hard look at how they sound and what they've become.

DisgustedofManchester · 08/01/2022 13:49

Of all the things harming women and children in India, this is the only one people on mumsnet wriite about?

Tell me you don't really care without telling me you don't really care

Ditto sexual assaults by cis women in women's prisons

aweegc · 08/01/2022 12:24

@NonnyMouse1337

aweegc - I did read somewhere that many orgs in such countries find themselves having to take on gender identity policies as part of securing their funding. It's awful that such a male supremacist ideology is embedding itself in areas where women's rights are already struggling. Definitely colonialism in a new guise.

Yes, I'm sure it's funding related for many of them. It's not being started by employees, yet it will then attract (young, foreign-educated) employees to new positions and it's then perpetuated.

We can only be grateful that Corona has prevented a lot of uni students from doing stunts abroad in NGOs. It's coming via Stonewall and corporate organisations, but I reckon it could backfire. Hopefully it will happen via the local media. And hopefully too the extremely meagre LGB gains in those countries will not be obliterated at the same time...

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/01/2022 11:29

Bonhex - the sheer hypocrisy of these orgs with their meaningless platitudes and obedience to gender identity, while undermining safeguards for women and children or actively enabling them harm. I can't see how any of this will improve by declaring that males can use women's facilities and services.